Controlling The Populous.

holeg2212 · 07-28-2009, 04:53 PM

Earth is already over populated with humans. The problem is... we keep procreating. There are some laws in some countries that are designed to keep family numbers to a minimum, but what will happen when the Earth can not sustain our vast numbers anymore? Is there a critical point where the number of human beings on the planet starts to endanger us as a species?

What does the future hold for us in terms of population control? Is it a necessary evil? Id like to think that at some point we as a species will realize it is beneficial to have limited numbers per family. We cant keep destroying our rain forests for the purpose of timber and housing...

$$kneel-B4-me$$ · 07-28-2009, 07:49 PM

they did a story about this, i saw it on the history channel. The scientist said you can take every human on this planet and give them a house with a front and back yard, and it still wouldn't take up but a corner of austrailia. The earth is no where near the danger zone as far as population goes. Mainly the big governments of the world are scared that we might become too big to control. In response to kid flash from a different thread, i have heard of it, but i dont buy it. It maybe out there but, modern medicines and vaccines have saved more lives than its destroyed. Go to Africa, or talk to a soldier that has been there, and see how something as simple as I.B. Profren can save a life.

BURNING MAN · 07-28-2009, 10:59 PM

If every person on this planet had access to electricity, gas, petrol, food and medication, the planets natural resources would have perished a long time ago.

Close to 2 billion people don't even have access to electricity, as for medication, more than a million people die each year from mosquito bites. By the time most of us have had breakfast, lunch, dinner and a few snacks in between, tens of thousands of people have died from malnutrition. Next time that your at a gas station filling your car and bitching about the prices, pause for a moment and give a thought to all those people who are still using donkeys.

Is the world over populated? YES. But the power governments of the world are doing a fine good job at keeping the underdeveloped nations just that, underdeveloped so that you and I can have our luxuries and vote for the man at the next election.

kidflash2008 · 07-29-2009, 12:30 PM

There are ways to solve the problems out there. Desalinization plants could help turn seawater into drinking water. The waste salt could be converted into table salt and salt blocks for animals. The water could be used to irrigate many farms in otherwise dry areas such as the Sahara. The major problem is the warlords and local chiefs who control the supplies getting in and out of their countries. Most of the doomsayers use numbers from the 1950s and 1960s to project their end of the world scenarios. The problem is the world is changing to a very different place people wise.

China has some of the most stringent population control laws in the world, and they are starting to ease up. The problem now is more and more people are not having children or are waiting much later in life and having one or two. India is seeing that now as it grows into a middle class country. They do not want to become Japan, which is seeing its population drop as people there do not want children.

To keep the economies going, countries need 2.2 children born to each couple out there. That number is decreasing as people see there is more to life than just raising a family. As information on better birth control methods becomes known, the people of the world will change their ways of having children they cannot feed or care for.

BURNING MAN · 07-30-2009, 10:38 PM

Kidflash,

My neighbor and very good friend is a medical practitioner who has donated his services to Medecins Sans Frontieres for the past ten years. If you had access to some of his information you would not make such an ignorant statement.

The major problem is not the warlords, they're on the payroll from their boss, the IMF (The International Monetary Fund).

kidflash2008 · 07-31-2009, 11:55 AM

The local warlords and the governments are in control of most of the developing countries. They are on record as taking food and medical supplies for their own troops. This has been documented by many news shows such as 60 Minutes (which is highly respected). It may be possible the warlords get kickbacks from the IMF (and other groups), but they are the ones who control the local areas.

I would like to hear what your medical practitioner has to say about what is going on.

kidflash2008 · 07-31-2009, 12:15 PM

BTW, ignorant is a strong word. I have known many people who come from third world countries in Latin America. They tell the same stories of warlords taking all the food and aid. This is a problem that is global in nature, and with very few strong central governments in the many regions of the world, such abuses will take place. I do not know why the people I have talked to would lie about such experiences.

Added:

Ignorance is a strong word, but in my and many cases is quite true.

BURNING MAN · 07-31-2009, 07:28 PM

So your opinion is educated because you saw a few documentaries and spoke to a few people from Latin America. I am no expert myself and doubt it very much that you or I have the knowledge of what is really happening in the following countries.

Fortunately, my friend is not like me and you. Instead of siting on his arse and bitching about the problems of this world to strangers, he is out there trying to make some difference. When it comes to the plight of the underdeveloped nations, your knowledge and mine is very limited, I call that ignorant.

Ignorant is only a strong word when it's true.

kidflash2008 · 08-01-2009, 11:07 AM

I agree with you that we do not know all the facts of what is going on. We can try to stay informed on what is happening, but many of the sources can be biased. I think the residents of the areas have a little more sway than the documentaries.

Ignorance is a strong word, and I do agree I am ignorant of many of the situations.

If I did not have a handicap, I would be out in those areas trying to help improve the situations. However, sometimes people do more harm with the best of intentions.

If you can get your friend to write about his experiences and relate them here, I think we can all be informed a little. Some knowledge is better than no knowledge.

07-28-2009, 04:53 PM	#1
holeg2212 Investigator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western Australia Capitol City 'Perth' Posts: 437	Controlling The Populous. Earth is already over populated with humans. The problem is... we keep procreating. There are some laws in some countries that are designed to keep family numbers to a minimum, but what will happen when the Earth can not sustain our vast numbers anymore? Is there a critical point where the number of human beings on the planet starts to endanger us as a species? What does the future hold for us in terms of population control? Is it a necessary evil? Id like to think that at some point we as a species will realize it is beneficial to have limited numbers per family. We cant keep destroying our rain forests for the purpose of timber and housing... __________________ All evil needs to succeed. Is for the good to stand by and do nothing.

07-28-2009, 10:59 PM	#3
BURNING MAN Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Holland Posts: 344	If every person on this planet had access to electricity, gas, petrol, food and medication, the planets natural resources would have perished a long time ago. Close to 2 billion people don't even have access to electricity, as for medication, more than a million people die each year from mosquito bites. By the time most of us have had breakfast, lunch, dinner and a few snacks in between, tens of thousands of people have died from malnutrition. Next time that your at a gas station filling your car and bitching about the prices, pause for a moment and give a thought to all those people who are still using donkeys. Is the world over populated? YES. But the power governments of the world are doing a fine good job at keeping the underdeveloped nations just that, underdeveloped so that you and I can have our luxuries and vote for the man at the next election. __________________ === “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God ?”=== -- Epicurus

07-30-2009, 10:38 PM	#5
BURNING MAN Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Holland Posts: 344	Kidflash, My neighbor and very good friend is a medical practitioner who has donated his services to Medecins Sans Frontieres for the past ten years. If you had access to some of his information you would not make such an ignorant statement. The major problem is not the warlords, they're on the payroll from their boss, the IMF (The International Monetary Fund). __________________ === “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God ?”=== -- Epicurus

07-31-2009, 11:55 AM	#6
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	The local warlords and the governments are in control of most of the developing countries. They are on record as taking food and medical supplies for their own troops. This has been documented by many news shows such as 60 Minutes (which is highly respected). It may be possible the warlords get kickbacks from the IMF (and other groups), but they are the ones who control the local areas. I would like to hear what your medical practitioner has to say about what is going on. Last edited by kidflash2008; 07-31-2009 at 11:57 AM. Reason: amended

07-31-2009, 12:15 PM	#7
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	BTW, ignorant is a strong word. I have known many people who come from third world countries in Latin America. They tell the same stories of warlords taking all the food and aid. This is a problem that is global in nature, and with very few strong central governments in the many regions of the world, such abuses will take place. I do not know why the people I have talked to would lie about such experiences. Added: Ignorance is a strong word, but in my and many cases is quite true. Last edited by kidflash2008; 08-01-2009 at 11:05 AM. Reason: added

07-28-2009, 07:49 PM	#2
$$kneel-B4-me$$ Investigator Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 148	they did a story about this, i saw it on the history channel. The scientist said you can take every human on this planet and give them a house with a front and back yard, and it still wouldn't take up but a corner of austrailia. The earth is no where near the danger zone as far as population goes. Mainly the big governments of the world are scared that we might become too big to control. In response to kid flash from a different thread, i have heard of it, but i dont buy it. It maybe out there but, modern medicines and vaccines have saved more lives than its destroyed. Go to Africa, or talk to a soldier that has been there, and see how something as simple as I.B. Profren can save a life.

07-29-2009, 12:30 PM	#4
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	There are ways to solve the problems out there. Desalinization plants could help turn seawater into drinking water. The waste salt could be converted into table salt and salt blocks for animals. The water could be used to irrigate many farms in otherwise dry areas such as the Sahara. The major problem is the warlords and local chiefs who control the supplies getting in and out of their countries. Most of the doomsayers use numbers from the 1950s and 1960s to project their end of the world scenarios. The problem is the world is changing to a very different place people wise. China has some of the most stringent population control laws in the world, and they are starting to ease up. The problem now is more and more people are not having children or are waiting much later in life and having one or two. India is seeing that now as it grows into a middle class country. They do not want to become Japan, which is seeing its population drop as people there do not want children. To keep the economies going, countries need 2.2 children born to each couple out there. That number is decreasing as people see there is more to life than just raising a family. As information on better birth control methods becomes known, the people of the world will change their ways of having children they cannot feed or care for.

07-31-2009, 07:28 PM	#8
BURNING MAN Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Holland Posts: 344	So your opinion is educated because you saw a few documentaries and spoke to a few people from Latin America. I am no expert myself and doubt it very much that you or I have the knowledge of what is really happening in the following countries. Fortunately, my friend is not like me and you. Instead of siting on his arse and bitching about the problems of this world to strangers, he is out there trying to make some difference. When it comes to the plight of the underdeveloped nations, your knowledge and mine is very limited, I call that ignorant. Ignorant is only a strong word when it's true. __________________ === “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God ?”=== -- Epicurus

08-01-2009, 11:07 AM	#9
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	I agree with you that we do not know all the facts of what is going on. We can try to stay informed on what is happening, but many of the sources can be biased. I think the residents of the areas have a little more sway than the documentaries. Ignorance is a strong word, and I do agree I am ignorant of many of the situations. If I did not have a handicap, I would be out in those areas trying to help improve the situations. However, sometimes people do more harm with the best of intentions. If you can get your friend to write about his experiences and relate them here, I think we can all be informed a little. Some knowledge is better than no knowledge.

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