President-Elect Obama

TESLATOM · 11-22-2008, 05:17 PM

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mich@el · 11-22-2008, 05:24 PM

LMAO.......... thats so cool !!! oh and btw.... true !!!

Mingus · 11-22-2008, 07:28 PM

Seriously, that is what an uncomfortably large number of people think, and I think it's completely ridiculous. Are people really so easily duped that the government, which is commonly known to be racist, can turn what a few radical Muslims did into a reason to hate and distrust anybody who is remotely associated with Muslims? The man has been given little opportunity to show what he can do. Yes, he's done pretty close to nothing in the Senate, but I'm not worried about that since it's been a disservice in general anyway. The thing you need to look at about Obama is his previous jobs and the educational background he has. He's a learned man and his moral roots are pretty obvious. He didn't put up any attack ads that I know of and he was wise enough to let the media handle the fact checking that a lot of people in the past would have quickly went on the defensive about. When the media failed to fact check, he cleared the air. Otherwise, the media did a diligent job in fact checking (which are coincidentally the same times that Fox News accused everyone of being biased in favor of Obama).

mich@el · 11-22-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mingus

Seriously, that is what an uncomfortably large number of people think, and I think it's completely ridiculous. Are people really so easily duped that the government, which is commonly known to be racist, can turn what a few radical Muslims did into a reason to hate and distrust anybody who is remotely associated with Muslims? The man has been given little opportunity to show what he can do. Yes, he's done pretty close to nothing in the Senate, but I'm not worried about that since it's been a disservice in general anyway. The thing you need to look at about Obama is his previous jobs and the educational background he has. He's a learned man and his moral roots are pretty obvious. He didn't put up any attack ads that I know of and he was wise enough to let the media handle the fact checking that a lot of people in the past would have quickly went on the defensive about. When the media failed to fact check, he cleared the air. Otherwise, the media did a diligent job in fact checking (which are coincidentally the same times that Fox News accused everyone of being biased in favor of Obama).

OK, I concede that he hasn't been tested yet but he has been given ample opportunity and he really hasn't shown much backbone.......I really hope I'm wrong but I also don't think I am......Learned/articulate etc does not equate to a good man......look at Hitler (I am not comparing them).

Ask yourself why such an "uncomfortably large number of people" feel the way they do..

This man calls himself an African American not the reverse.....

Only time will tell the real truth but it may be too late by then........

Mingus · 11-22-2008, 09:50 PM

African American is the standard accepted term for a black man. What's the big deal with him calling himself the very label we call him? Yes, learned and articulate men aren't always good men, but look at his history. It seems like he's done more to help Americans before his political career even began than a lot current politicians have in their career.

The problem he has is that he doesn't fit a stereotype. People think he's hiding an ulterior motive because he's appears to be a supremely moral man, blessed with eloquence and intellect, and he genuinely cares about Americans. We haven't seen a man like this since Lyndon Johnson and JFK. He talks to us like grown ups and expects us to think and act like ones also, hence our treatment as such - even if we don't deserve it (and we don't, here's why). I sincerely doubt he has a negative agenda or is part of one. If he did or is, would he have been involved in the projects he was involved with in Chicago? I don't think so. He would have been the head of HUD (or some department he's clearly not qualified to do or/nor interested in) and failed miserably. He would have been the equivalent of Michael Brown of FEMA, and the media would have destroyed him when he messed up.

He wouldn't have been running for president by now, as his credibility would have been destroyed and he would not even be on the Democratic ticket. It is my opinion that the man has shown us to be a truly upstanding citizen, who's knowledge of the Constitution, and his conviction to abide by it, should trump the questions of his experience and agenda. To me, a president who at least upholds the Constitution cannot be judged the same as George H. W. Bush, and thus is at worst, only the second or third worst president ever (I can't dismiss Franklin Pierce's incompetence and similar acts of racial bigotry that contributed greatly to the Civil War taking place).

Mingus · 11-23-2008, 06:49 AM

I actually didn't know about the voter fraud for either one, but obviously the mob did some work to ensure a win. What I'm referring to is what they did in office. JFK did what he could to help the nation grow, while protecting it as well as possible from the Soviet threat (even if it's debated as to how much info he got throughout his dealings). He's widely thought of as a rogue president when it comes to discussing the secret societies, partly because he was tight with the mobs and thus had a different agenda. Lyndon Johnson pushed civil rights for blacks and succeeded in 1964. Your point about the way they won elections does not mitigate the good they did in office, and as such, it doesn't even come close to correlating to Obama in that way.

kidflash2008 · 11-23-2008, 08:12 AM

1. What would be wrong with electing a Muslim as President? There are many moderate Muslims out there, just like there are moderate Christians and Jews.

2. I wonder how much voter fraud the Nixon people did, as the man was a crook even back in 1960.

3. JFK upset the mob when his brother Robert was Attorney General of the US. He immediately cracked down on mob influence in unions and racketeering. The mod hated both brothers for that.

4. JFK challenged the CIA's authority telling them they had to report to him before doing any type of nefarious activity like the Bay of Pigs fiasco (Ike gave them carte blanc). He challenged the steel magnates when the reneged on a deal to not raise prices as a monopoly. He challenged the Federal Reserve by printing United States notes, instead of the fiat currency issued by the Federal Reserve. He also backed one and two dollar bills by gold and not silver, which angered the families that cornered the silver market.

There are many other great things the man did, and if he won with the mobs help instead of Tricky Dicky, then I say good.

It is not known how Pres Elect Obama will run the country, but he is putting together an impressive cabinet to assist him. The mess of the last eight years will takes years to correct. If you are unhappy now, just wait for Sarah in 2012 (you betcha!).

Truthed · 11-23-2008, 08:29 AM

This whole situation reminds me SOOO much of seinfeld!

"I'm NOT gay! ....not that there's anything wrong with that..."

Mingus · 11-23-2008, 05:58 PM

The thing that stands out about Obama is his morality. He seems committed to ending the current practices in Congress; lobbying, earmarks, and the like. Now, I'll have egg on my face if none of this happens, but his background suggests his moral compass is far superior to his Senatorial colleagues. His morality is more aligned, in my opinion, to Martin Luther King. The two are calm and reserved, relying on words to cut into the audience and get the message through.

holeg2212 · 11-23-2008, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Truthed

This whole situation reminds me SOOO much of seinfeld!

"I'm NOT gay! ....not that there's anything wrong with that..."

Best show ever!

11-22-2008, 05:17 PM	#1
TESLATOM Junior Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 95	President-Elect Obama tt __________________ "The deist God is a physicist to end all physics, the alpha and omega of mathematicians, the apotheosis of designers; a hyper-engineer who set up the laws and constants of the universe, fine tuned them with exquisite precision and foreknowledge, detonated what we would now call the hot big bang theory, retired and was never heard from again." ==========-- Dawkins "I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ==========-- Voltaire? Last edited by TESLATOM; 12-15-2009 at 06:04 PM.

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11-22-2008, 07:28 PM	#3
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	Seriously, that is what an uncomfortably large number of people think, and I think it's completely ridiculous. Are people really so easily duped that the government, which is commonly known to be racist, can turn what a few radical Muslims did into a reason to hate and distrust anybody who is remotely associated with Muslims? The man has been given little opportunity to show what he can do. Yes, he's done pretty close to nothing in the Senate, but I'm not worried about that since it's been a disservice in general anyway. The thing you need to look at about Obama is his previous jobs and the educational background he has. He's a learned man and his moral roots are pretty obvious. He didn't put up any attack ads that I know of and he was wise enough to let the media handle the fact checking that a lot of people in the past would have quickly went on the defensive about. When the media failed to fact check, he cleared the air. Otherwise, the media did a diligent job in fact checking (which are coincidentally the same times that Fox News accused everyone of being biased in favor of Obama).

11-22-2008, 09:50 PM	#5
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	African American is the standard accepted term for a black man. What's the big deal with him calling himself the very label we call him? Yes, learned and articulate men aren't always good men, but look at his history. It seems like he's done more to help Americans before his political career even began than a lot current politicians have in their career. The problem he has is that he doesn't fit a stereotype. People think he's hiding an ulterior motive because he's appears to be a supremely moral man, blessed with eloquence and intellect, and he genuinely cares about Americans. We haven't seen a man like this since Lyndon Johnson and JFK. He talks to us like grown ups and expects us to think and act like ones also, hence our treatment as such - even if we don't deserve it (and we don't, here's why). I sincerely doubt he has a negative agenda or is part of one. If he did or is, would he have been involved in the projects he was involved with in Chicago? I don't think so. He would have been the head of HUD (or some department he's clearly not qualified to do or/nor interested in) and failed miserably. He would have been the equivalent of Michael Brown of FEMA, and the media would have destroyed him when he messed up. He wouldn't have been running for president by now, as his credibility would have been destroyed and he would not even be on the Democratic ticket. It is my opinion that the man has shown us to be a truly upstanding citizen, who's knowledge of the Constitution, and his conviction to abide by it, should trump the questions of his experience and agenda. To me, a president who at least upholds the Constitution cannot be judged the same as George H. W. Bush, and thus is at worst, only the second or third worst president ever (I can't dismiss Franklin Pierce's incompetence and similar acts of racial bigotry that contributed greatly to the Civil War taking place).

11-23-2008, 06:49 AM	#6
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	I actually didn't know about the voter fraud for either one, but obviously the mob did some work to ensure a win. What I'm referring to is what they did in office. JFK did what he could to help the nation grow, while protecting it as well as possible from the Soviet threat (even if it's debated as to how much info he got throughout his dealings). He's widely thought of as a rogue president when it comes to discussing the secret societies, partly because he was tight with the mobs and thus had a different agenda. Lyndon Johnson pushed civil rights for blacks and succeeded in 1964. Your point about the way they won elections does not mitigate the good they did in office, and as such, it doesn't even come close to correlating to Obama in that way.

11-23-2008, 08:12 AM	#7
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	1. What would be wrong with electing a Muslim as President? There are many moderate Muslims out there, just like there are moderate Christians and Jews. 2. I wonder how much voter fraud the Nixon people did, as the man was a crook even back in 1960. 3. JFK upset the mob when his brother Robert was Attorney General of the US. He immediately cracked down on mob influence in unions and racketeering. The mod hated both brothers for that. 4. JFK challenged the CIA's authority telling them they had to report to him before doing any type of nefarious activity like the Bay of Pigs fiasco (Ike gave them carte blanc). He challenged the steel magnates when the reneged on a deal to not raise prices as a monopoly. He challenged the Federal Reserve by printing United States notes, instead of the fiat currency issued by the Federal Reserve. He also backed one and two dollar bills by gold and not silver, which angered the families that cornered the silver market. There are many other great things the man did, and if he won with the mobs help instead of Tricky Dicky, then I say good. It is not known how Pres Elect Obama will run the country, but he is putting together an impressive cabinet to assist him. The mess of the last eight years will takes years to correct. If you are unhappy now, just wait for Sarah in 2012 (you betcha!).

11-23-2008, 05:58 PM	#9
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	The thing that stands out about Obama is his morality. He seems committed to ending the current practices in Congress; lobbying, earmarks, and the like. Now, I'll have egg on my face if none of this happens, but his background suggests his moral compass is far superior to his Senatorial colleagues. His morality is more aligned, in my opinion, to Martin Luther King. The two are calm and reserved, relying on words to cut into the audience and get the message through.