License to Breed!

holeg2212 · 02-09-2009, 04:24 PM

Should people have a license to Breed? The survival of the human race depends on the quality of the people that make it up. The average IQ is dropping, because stupid people breed more. Thats a fact.

A license to breed can be approved, for instance, only if you have to ability to raise your kids with morals and a good education, be able to provide them decent food and shelter and principles necessary to succeed in society.

hodjipan · 02-09-2009, 05:17 PM

I do find it strange that you have to have a license to drive, to fish, to hunt etc. but not to reproduce. The complication is, of course, the determining factors to allow one to reproduce. How do you judge someone as having good morals? Do they have to belong to a Church? Which religion? If they don't believe in God is that considered immoral? Maybe people should be of a certain age in order to reproduce. Like voting, driving and drinking. How would you control the reproductive process? It would be extremely complicated to control. I have to say though, I just adopted a dog through a rescue organization and I was amazed how stringent they were. We had to be approved by an entire board of people!

Truthed · 02-09-2009, 05:19 PM

although i hate the idea of certain ppl breeding, regulating it pretty much goes against most things i have been fighting for. It seems like a VERY slippery slope which lands at a nazi germany.

Mingus · 02-09-2009, 06:01 PM

As an American, it would be entirely - without a doubt - against at least one core value stated by the Declaration of Independence if a licence to breed was suddenly introduced. It would take away the free will of a couple, in addition to the brutally subjective nature of sexuality in the first place. Let's say that Truthed would like to procreate. The government may deem him unfit to breed because, lets say, he didn't finish college or something arbitrary like that. Maybe it's even more subjective. Perhaps people who had a learning disability, regardless of whether it was overcome or not, are disallowed to breed. What if somebody has a criminal record? How many people would be unable to breed because they got a ticket for some minor traffic violation?

A lot of people who have perceived defects are either people who have a genetic makeup that is unfavorable to them in light of this proposal (which is overtly discriminatory and thus a crime against humanity, in a way... plus the highly subjective nature of natural breeding and our own nature with power to begin with) or it's a social defect that most, if not all, members of society occasionally are guilty of; thus making it hypocritical and foolish to punish members of society for something everyone does to begin with.

Truthed · 02-09-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mingus

Let's say that Truthed would like to procreate. The government may deem him unfit to breed because, lets say, he didn't finish college or something arbitrary like that. Maybe it's even more subjective. Perhaps people who had a learning disability, regardless of whether it was overcome or not, are disallowed to breed. What if somebody has a criminal record? How many people would be unable to breed because they got a ticket for some minor traffic violation?

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kidflash2008 · 02-10-2009, 10:46 AM

How would we control breeding? Sterilize people, like they did in the early 20th Century? That was done, and it was held up by the Supreme Court. It was called Eugenics, and the thought of them doing it now is quite scary.
People are not stupid, just incredibly lazy.

holeg2212 · 02-11-2009, 03:57 PM

Perhaps people with a certain income can be limited to the amount of children they have. Or there could be an exam they could study for and a psych analysis or something like that. I know it may seem harsh and over the top, but when you see people living in communities relying on welfare for their income, purely because they support low morals, or a drug or drinking habit... and they 4 or 5 kids. It really makes me think breeding should be regulated.

Mingus · 02-11-2009, 06:15 PM

It is a problem that there are people taking advantage of welfare, but sterilization is not the answer to this. One of the most ideal ways to end this would be intelligently shaming them. Make them feel bad about themselves, the parents - not the children because they require education about their situation in addition to whatever else they are learning, because if they are ashamed of their actions, they will look for redemption and seek a way out. Now, I said "intelligently" because of the propensity for people to move from one co-dependency to another. If a couple gets off welfare, then they may latch themselves onto the group that is carrying them now. It would be a wasted education if the couple doesn't learn to be responsible for themselves and acquire a desire to improve themselves.

holeg2212 · 02-11-2009, 07:52 PM

white trash folk i do not feel would be ashamed of collecting welfare, they already lack the conservative reason to realise that welfare bludging is wrong, and I dont care what anyone says some people just have really poor genetics and tend to pass them onto their children, White trash parents will have white trash kids 9 out of 10 times... they grow up with the same ideals and values, and they are easy to pick out. The guy who gets up in the morning and rides the train to work and home again, keeps his house tidy and himself well groomed is easily distinguished from the trailer park beer guzzling guy.

The problem is, people are fighting constantly for humanitarian rights, and fighting for unchallenged freedom. However maybe we have to realise that for a safer, better society, we have go give up some of those freedoms, because its human nature to take things for granted and abuse resources (its the basis of self preservation). People have all these rights but no idea what to do with them. Like the guy who breaks into someones house, injures their self falling through the tenants roof, and sues the poor person who's house he was robbing. Sure he's exercising his rights... but its a perfect example of their being no strict lines in society. We needs rules an regulations to survive, people are pissed off constantly because theres not enough police on the street. But then the poor cops get attacked and abused by people for doing their jobs. The human race is a chaotic and contradictive species and regardless of what we WANT we need to be regulated in an intelligent manner if we ever want a peaceful and Utopian society. Which I do not believe we will ever have.

Mingus · 02-12-2009, 06:11 AM

Like I said, it's the up to the individual to conduct themselves in a manner befitting an upright citizen. The problem is when we don't bother helping others, socially, due to the prejudice we hold about them. It's like first grade, where the "weird" kid has no friends and is constantly picked on. All (s)he knows is that (s)he doesn't fit in and the kids don't bother helping the kid fit in.

02-09-2009, 04:24 PM	#1
holeg2212 Investigator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western Australia Capitol City 'Perth' Posts: 437	License to Breed! Should people have a license to Breed? The survival of the human race depends on the quality of the people that make it up. The average IQ is dropping, because stupid people breed more. Thats a fact. A license to breed can be approved, for instance, only if you have to ability to raise your kids with morals and a good education, be able to provide them decent food and shelter and principles necessary to succeed in society. __________________ All evil needs to succeed. Is for the good to stand by and do nothing.

02-09-2009, 05:19 PM	#3
Truthed Administrator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,079	although i hate the idea of certain ppl breeding, regulating it pretty much goes against most things i have been fighting for. It seems like a VERY slippery slope which lands at a nazi germany. __________________ "You Want To Believe" http://www.truthed.com truthed@truthed.com

02-11-2009, 03:57 PM	#7
holeg2212 Investigator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western Australia Capitol City 'Perth' Posts: 437	Perhaps people with a certain income can be limited to the amount of children they have. Or there could be an exam they could study for and a psych analysis or something like that. I know it may seem harsh and over the top, but when you see people living in communities relying on welfare for their income, purely because they support low morals, or a drug or drinking habit... and they 4 or 5 kids. It really makes me think breeding should be regulated. __________________ All evil needs to succeed. Is for the good to stand by and do nothing.

02-11-2009, 07:52 PM	#9
holeg2212 Investigator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western Australia Capitol City 'Perth' Posts: 437	white trash folk i do not feel would be ashamed of collecting welfare, they already lack the conservative reason to realise that welfare bludging is wrong, and I dont care what anyone says some people just have really poor genetics and tend to pass them onto their children, White trash parents will have white trash kids 9 out of 10 times... they grow up with the same ideals and values, and they are easy to pick out. The guy who gets up in the morning and rides the train to work and home again, keeps his house tidy and himself well groomed is easily distinguished from the trailer park beer guzzling guy. The problem is, people are fighting constantly for humanitarian rights, and fighting for unchallenged freedom. However maybe we have to realise that for a safer, better society, we have go give up some of those freedoms, because its human nature to take things for granted and abuse resources (its the basis of self preservation). People have all these rights but no idea what to do with them. Like the guy who breaks into someones house, injures their self falling through the tenants roof, and sues the poor person who's house he was robbing. Sure he's exercising his rights... but its a perfect example of their being no strict lines in society. We needs rules an regulations to survive, people are pissed off constantly because theres not enough police on the street. But then the poor cops get attacked and abused by people for doing their jobs. The human race is a chaotic and contradictive species and regardless of what we WANT we need to be regulated in an intelligent manner if we ever want a peaceful and Utopian society. Which I do not believe we will ever have. __________________ All evil needs to succeed. Is for the good to stand by and do nothing.

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02-09-2009, 05:17 PM	#2
hodjipan Junior Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 18	I do find it strange that you have to have a license to drive, to fish, to hunt etc. but not to reproduce. The complication is, of course, the determining factors to allow one to reproduce. How do you judge someone as having good morals? Do they have to belong to a Church? Which religion? If they don't believe in God is that considered immoral? Maybe people should be of a certain age in order to reproduce. Like voting, driving and drinking. How would you control the reproductive process? It would be extremely complicated to control. I have to say though, I just adopted a dog through a rescue organization and I was amazed how stringent they were. We had to be approved by an entire board of people!

02-09-2009, 06:01 PM	#4
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	As an American, it would be entirely - without a doubt - against at least one core value stated by the Declaration of Independence if a licence to breed was suddenly introduced. It would take away the free will of a couple, in addition to the brutally subjective nature of sexuality in the first place. Let's say that Truthed would like to procreate. The government may deem him unfit to breed because, lets say, he didn't finish college or something arbitrary like that. Maybe it's even more subjective. Perhaps people who had a learning disability, regardless of whether it was overcome or not, are disallowed to breed. What if somebody has a criminal record? How many people would be unable to breed because they got a ticket for some minor traffic violation? A lot of people who have perceived defects are either people who have a genetic makeup that is unfavorable to them in light of this proposal (which is overtly discriminatory and thus a crime against humanity, in a way... plus the highly subjective nature of natural breeding and our own nature with power to begin with) or it's a social defect that most, if not all, members of society occasionally are guilty of; thus making it hypocritical and foolish to punish members of society for something everyone does to begin with.

02-10-2009, 10:46 AM	#6
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	How would we control breeding? Sterilize people, like they did in the early 20th Century? That was done, and it was held up by the Supreme Court. It was called Eugenics, and the thought of them doing it now is quite scary. People are not stupid, just incredibly lazy.

02-11-2009, 06:15 PM	#8
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	It is a problem that there are people taking advantage of welfare, but sterilization is not the answer to this. One of the most ideal ways to end this would be intelligently shaming them. Make them feel bad about themselves, the parents - not the children because they require education about their situation in addition to whatever else they are learning, because if they are ashamed of their actions, they will look for redemption and seek a way out. Now, I said "intelligently" because of the propensity for people to move from one co-dependency to another. If a couple gets off welfare, then they may latch themselves onto the group that is carrying them now. It would be a wasted education if the couple doesn't learn to be responsible for themselves and acquire a desire to improve themselves.

02-12-2009, 06:11 AM	#10
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	Like I said, it's the up to the individual to conduct themselves in a manner befitting an upright citizen. The problem is when we don't bother helping others, socially, due to the prejudice we hold about them. It's like first grade, where the "weird" kid has no friends and is constantly picked on. All (s)he knows is that (s)he doesn't fit in and the kids don't bother helping the kid fit in.