DARPA seeking Godware capability

BURNING MAN · 06-26-2009, 11:33 PM

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US military wacky-professor bureau DARPA has outdone itself this time, issuing a request for "intelligent" electronic components and chemicals which can "self-organise" themselves to form complex items such as routers, fuel cells, biofuel factories or medical drugs. Indeed, reading between the lines it appears as though the American killboffins are seeking nothing less than the creation of artificial intelligent lifeforms.

The Pentagon crazytech chiefs' name for this initiative is "Physical Intelligence", and full details were released last week. According to DARPA, humanity at present has only a dim grasp of what intelligence actually is and how it came into existence.

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Area-51 · 06-28-2009, 03:32 AM

Huh, well, I´m a big fan to artificial intelligence, in fact, after school I want to do AI research at the univerity.
I believe, it would be a great gift to humanity, if we would be able to build a fully functional AI, because huge mathematical problems, which take normal humans many many years, an AI could solve in no-time.

Many people (maybe some of you too) think, that at some point, the robots will kill all humanity, but if we, as there creators, treat them as something special rather than use them as modern slaves, we could live together in peace.

Call me crazy, but I believe (and hope) that humanity will work together with AI´s in the next 50 years or so.

BUT! I don´t feel comfortable with the fact that DARPA is working on AI, because such a technology shouldn´t be used as a weapon, but as a learning tool.

kidflash2008 · 06-28-2009, 09:29 AM

Artificial intelligence may be one of those ideas which are in the science fiction arena alone. The programs that control all computer (and systems) that "think" are written by people. A computer program is designed to carry out the most logical choice. There is no sentience in a computer, and there never will be one. The face recognition software and other types of "smart" computers are all written by people. Binary codes, digital signals with no heart or soul.

Just like the Star Trek transporter, AI was created for dramatic effect in stories (or it was cheaper as in Star Trek).

Area-51 · 06-29-2009, 06:04 AM

Sure, emotions are very hard (I´m not going to say it´s impossible) to emulate, but creating a computer program (of course written by people), that has the complexity to learn on its own (rewrite/recompile its own code) and by that calculate more and more information (much like the human brain) isn´t far away from being succesful developed.

There is so much research being done right now and I don´t think, that they do all this work for nothig. They have a goal, and this goal will be reached at some point.
I believe, AI will become real, if we manage to build quantum computers.

kidflash2008 · 06-29-2009, 09:04 AM

No software can re-write new data by itself. It needs the human programmers to do such a thing. Sure they can create some very complex programs, but to create a sentient (living) computer is impossible. Again, they are nothing but chips and binary codes of data. There is no soul or heart in the machines. There are on science fiction TV shows and movies, but not in real life.

They have the ability to store tremendous amounts of knowledge, however all that information is inputted by people.

Terminator · 06-29-2009, 03:27 PM

Actually, if a programme iterates itself and identifies pitfalls, it can re-write itself and remember the problem.

All an IA would need to do is "experience" all of the varieties, anomolies and "flukes" of life to absorb that into the calculating process, learn by experience, re-calibrate and pass on to the next generation......as we do.

Area-51 · 06-30-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Terminator

Actually, if a programme iterates itself and identifies pitfalls, it can re-write itself and remember the problem.

All an IA would need to do is "experience" all of the varieties, anomolies and "flukes" of life to absorb that into the calculating process, learn by experience, re-calibrate and pass on to the next generation......as we do.

Right!

Of cource a computer can´t use a keyboard to re-write it´s code as we do (or I do right now, typing this message), but it can, let´s say, add new lines of code via experience, like terminator explained already.

kidflash2008 · 06-30-2009, 11:35 AM

I can see where you both are coming from. They can create programs that can "catch" problems and correct themselves. That can be viewed as a type of artificial intelligence.

The question now is can they ever create sentient intelligence?

Area-51 · 07-01-2009, 03:49 AM

That´s a good question. I think, if the AI is advanced enough, it probably could recognize human emotions and react to it, but I doubt that an AI ever can feel emotions such as fear, happiness, pain or what ever.

kidflash2008 · 07-01-2009, 09:35 AM

Emotions are the true test on sentience. Even our dogs and cats have emotions such as happiness, fear and love toward us.

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06-28-2009, 03:32 AM	#2
Area-51 Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 459	Huh, well, I´m a big fan to artificial intelligence, in fact, after school I want to do AI research at the univerity. I believe, it would be a great gift to humanity, if we would be able to build a fully functional AI, because huge mathematical problems, which take normal humans many many years, an AI could solve in no-time. Many people (maybe some of you too) think, that at some point, the robots will kill all humanity, but if we, as there creators, treat them as something special rather than use them as modern slaves, we could live together in peace. Call me crazy, but I believe (and hope) that humanity will work together with AI´s in the next 50 years or so. BUT! I don´t feel comfortable with the fact that DARPA is working on AI, because such a technology shouldn´t be used as a weapon, but as a learning tool.

06-28-2009, 09:29 AM	#3
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	Artificial intelligence may be one of those ideas which are in the science fiction arena alone. The programs that control all computer (and systems) that "think" are written by people. A computer program is designed to carry out the most logical choice. There is no sentience in a computer, and there never will be one. The face recognition software and other types of "smart" computers are all written by people. Binary codes, digital signals with no heart or soul. Just like the Star Trek transporter, AI was created for dramatic effect in stories (or it was cheaper as in Star Trek).

06-29-2009, 06:04 AM	#4
Area-51 Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 459	Sure, emotions are very hard (I´m not going to say it´s impossible) to emulate, but creating a computer program (of course written by people), that has the complexity to learn on its own (rewrite/recompile its own code) and by that calculate more and more information (much like the human brain) isn´t far away from being succesful developed. There is so much research being done right now and I don´t think, that they do all this work for nothig. They have a goal, and this goal will be reached at some point. I believe, AI will become real, if we manage to build quantum computers.

06-29-2009, 09:04 AM	#5
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	No software can re-write new data by itself. It needs the human programmers to do such a thing. Sure they can create some very complex programs, but to create a sentient (living) computer is impossible. Again, they are nothing but chips and binary codes of data. There is no soul or heart in the machines. There are on science fiction TV shows and movies, but not in real life. They have the ability to store tremendous amounts of knowledge, however all that information is inputted by people.

06-29-2009, 03:27 PM	#6
Terminator Investigator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 110	Actually, if a programme iterates itself and identifies pitfalls, it can re-write itself and remember the problem. All an IA would need to do is "experience" all of the varieties, anomolies and "flukes" of life to absorb that into the calculating process, learn by experience, re-calibrate and pass on to the next generation......as we do.

06-30-2009, 11:35 AM	#8
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	I can see where you both are coming from. They can create programs that can "catch" problems and correct themselves. That can be viewed as a type of artificial intelligence. The question now is can they ever create sentient intelligence?

07-01-2009, 03:49 AM	#9
Area-51 Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 459	That´s a good question. I think, if the AI is advanced enough, it probably could recognize human emotions and react to it, but I doubt that an AI ever can feel emotions such as fear, happiness, pain or what ever.

07-01-2009, 09:35 AM	#10
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	Emotions are the true test on sentience. Even our dogs and cats have emotions such as happiness, fear and love toward us.