Bones belong to St Paul

BURNING MAN · 07-01-2009, 05:32 PM

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Pope claims human remains belong to St Paul

Human remains found beneath the Vatican have been identified as belonging to St Paul, Pope Benedict XVI said, apparently laying to rest the mystery of a tomb first discovered in the city in 2006.

Archaeologists found material and fragments of bone dating to the first or second century AD inside the tomb at the basilica of St Paul Outside the Walls in Rome.

Vatican experts claim the tomb's position, underneath the epigraph Paulo Apostolo Mart (Paul the Apostle and Martyr), at the base of the main altar is proof that it belongs to the apostle.

The pope said the tomb had not been opened but that a probe inserted through a small hole had revealed traces of purple linen decorated with gold sequins, blue material and red incense grains as well as the remains. "Small fragments of bone were carbon dated by experts who knew nothing about their provenance and results showed they were from someone who lived between the first and second century," he said.

"This seems to confirm the unanimous and uncontested tradition that these are the mortal remains of Paul the apostle," he said, adding that the discovery "fills our souls with great emotion".

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BURNING MAN · 07-02-2009, 01:52 AM

Archaeologists find fragments of bone dating to the first or second century AD,
and the Pope is convinced they are the remains of St Paul the Apostle.

Isn't faith wonderful?

Area-51 · 07-02-2009, 03:36 AM

Well, in my opinion, the bible and all connected to it, is just one huge scam!
It´s funny, how man people believe in Jesus and God an all that, not noticing, that these persons are stereotypes used by many other religions. In fact, the egyptian mythology shares many information with the christian mythology. For example are many birthdates the same and most of the miracles, created by either Jesus/God or the egyptian Gods/heroes.

$$kneel-B4-me$$ · 07-02-2009, 05:12 AM

i am a very spiritual person, but i believe religion was made up to scare people to do the right thing. Not everyone needs it. I also believe more than that, without "religion" we would be much worse off as a civilization. Without a doubt, some people despritly need religion. Whether to come to terms with themselves or feel forgiven for touching kids in other places than their hearts and minds. who ever was the first to start a "religion", no matter which one, was an absolute genius. As for christianity, i agree with you. I have done little research, but what i have read clearly shows that christianity has taken alot from earlier religions (i.e. peganism, early egyption) and put their own spin on it. To bad there was no copy-right back then huh? As for them finding the bones of who they say is St. Paul, OK, I'll believe you. Since the world is supposed to be ending in Dec 2012, is that all you have to say to your followers Pope Benedict 16. Im sure he said "Hey guys, look, the bible told you this guy existed and here he is." followed by "Awesome!!" i mean, "Amen" Im not trying to offend any one who is catholic, christian, or any other religious demographics. I am just making light of the topic at hand. Peace be with you. You pray for me and i'll tell the grays that you are a product of your enviroment. Seacrest Out.

Mokko · 07-02-2009, 07:18 AM

the covenant and now St. Paul but only according to the Dr.knowitall Pope Benedict XVI. What exactly is he trying to manifest here? Is he trying to lay claims and form a foundation of more so-called concrete evidence to worship his ideas? Matrial found under the vatican? I'm sure he knows there is a burial under there. Don't tell us you dropped a gold coin and was tryint to fetch it.
Claims that Paul the Apostle and Martyr is buried under the vatican and wearing purple and gold? He was a man of god, not gold.

kidflash2008 · 07-02-2009, 10:42 AM

Without analyzing the bones, their identity will remain a mystery.

I agree that dogma is the reason for all the main problems of religious thought. It is true the early Christians borrowed all the religious dates from Pagan holidays. Easter was the Goddess of Springs day, December 25th was Mithras' birthday and also had the festival called Saturnalia. I used to be a Catholic but now I am a Pagan.

Area-51 · 07-02-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by $$kneel-B4-me$$

i am a very spiritual person, but i believe religion was made up to scare people to do the right thing. Not everyone needs it. I also believe more than that, without "religion" we would be much worse off as a civilization. Without a doubt, some people despritly need religion. Whether to come to terms with themselves or feel forgiven for touching kids in other places than their hearts and minds. who ever was the first to start a "religion", no matter which one, was an absolute genius. As for christianity, i agree with you. I have done little research, but what i have read clearly shows that christianity has taken alot from earlier religions (i.e. peganism, early egyption) and put their own spin on it. To bad there was no copy-right back then huh? As for them finding the bones of who they say is St. Paul, OK, I'll believe you. Since the world is supposed to be ending in Dec 2012, is that all you have to say to your followers Pope Benedict 16. Im sure he said "Hey guys, look, the bible told you this guy existed and here he is." followed by "Awesome!!" i mean, "Amen" Im not trying to offend any one who is catholic, christian, or any other religious demographics. I am just making light of the topic at hand. Peace be with you. You pray for me and i'll tell the grays that you are a product of your enviroment. Seacrest Out.

What a great text, especially the last sentence
. But yeah, you´re right. As you mentioned, some people need religion, and I don´t think religion in a generic sense is bad. I just think, that the religions, that force you to believe in some sort of god, is both scary and dangerous. On the other hand, there are religions, that are peaceful and don´t force people to do certain things. For example Buddhism.

kidflash2008 · 07-03-2009, 09:46 AM

The main problem is too few people seem to control religious thought and ideas. Spirituality should be a period of growth and finding ones core beliefs. It should not be held back by dogma, which makes up the rules of many religions.

07-02-2009, 01:52 AM	#2
BURNING MAN Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Holland Posts: 344	Archaeologists find fragments of bone dating to the first or second century AD, and the Pope is convinced they are the remains of St Paul the Apostle. Isn't faith wonderful? __________________ === “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God ?”=== -- Epicurus

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07-02-2009, 03:36 AM	#3
Area-51 Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 459	Well, in my opinion, the bible and all connected to it, is just one huge scam! It´s funny, how man people believe in Jesus and God an all that, not noticing, that these persons are stereotypes used by many other religions. In fact, the egyptian mythology shares many information with the christian mythology. For example are many birthdates the same and most of the miracles, created by either Jesus/God or the egyptian Gods/heroes.

07-02-2009, 05:12 AM	#4
$$kneel-B4-me$$ Investigator Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 148	i am a very spiritual person, but i believe religion was made up to scare people to do the right thing. Not everyone needs it. I also believe more than that, without "religion" we would be much worse off as a civilization. Without a doubt, some people despritly need religion. Whether to come to terms with themselves or feel forgiven for touching kids in other places than their hearts and minds. who ever was the first to start a "religion", no matter which one, was an absolute genius. As for christianity, i agree with you. I have done little research, but what i have read clearly shows that christianity has taken alot from earlier religions (i.e. peganism, early egyption) and put their own spin on it. To bad there was no copy-right back then huh? As for them finding the bones of who they say is St. Paul, OK, I'll believe you. Since the world is supposed to be ending in Dec 2012, is that all you have to say to your followers Pope Benedict 16. Im sure he said "Hey guys, look, the bible told you this guy existed and here he is." followed by "Awesome!!" i mean, "Amen" Im not trying to offend any one who is catholic, christian, or any other religious demographics. I am just making light of the topic at hand. Peace be with you. You pray for me and i'll tell the grays that you are a product of your enviroment. Seacrest Out.

07-02-2009, 07:18 AM	#5
Mokko Junior Investigator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3	the covenant and now St. Paul but only according to the Dr.knowitall Pope Benedict XVI. What exactly is he trying to manifest here? Is he trying to lay claims and form a foundation of more so-called concrete evidence to worship his ideas? Matrial found under the vatican? I'm sure he knows there is a burial under there. Don't tell us you dropped a gold coin and was tryint to fetch it. Claims that Paul the Apostle and Martyr is buried under the vatican and wearing purple and gold? He was a man of god, not gold.

07-02-2009, 10:42 AM	#6
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	Without analyzing the bones, their identity will remain a mystery. I agree that dogma is the reason for all the main problems of religious thought. It is true the early Christians borrowed all the religious dates from Pagan holidays. Easter was the Goddess of Springs day, December 25th was Mithras' birthday and also had the festival called Saturnalia. I used to be a Catholic but now I am a Pagan.

07-03-2009, 09:46 AM	#8
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	The main problem is too few people seem to control religious thought and ideas. Spirituality should be a period of growth and finding ones core beliefs. It should not be held back by dogma, which makes up the rules of many religions.