Why McCain/Palin must never win this election

[Sillygoth]

Okay, we've all heard about Jeremiah Wright, the controversial idiot preacher of Obama, and his racially divisive "black liberation theology". While Reverend Wright is a scumbag, this guy and his connections to Palin REALLY frighten me:

Reverend Thomas Muthee is an influential preacher in Kenya. It's not really a stretch to put him on the level that Desmond Tutu was in the 80's-90's, in terms of the level of power and influence he has in the decidedly less than modern areas of Africa.

Here's a little bit about the man: (quoted from Wikipedia)

Bishop Thomas Muthee is a Kenyan preacher. He holds a Master's degree in Practical Ministry and founded the Word of Faith Church in February 1989 in the town of Kiambu, Kenya (near Nairobi) before going on to found approximately 400 churches in the nearby regions of Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Sudan, and Gisenyi in Rwanda.[1] The original church is also known as the "Prayer Cave" because meetings were originally held in a grocery basement.[2] Muthee's late wife, Margaret Muthee, was a teacher,[3] and they had two children: Joshua and Ann.[1] As of 2008, he served as the East African director of the International Spiritual Warfare Network.[4] In 2008, Muthee gained attention during the U.S. presidential campaign for previously praying for vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Now, you might ask yourself why we should be concerned about a "Bishop" (Last time I checked, only Catholics really had bishops, but I suppose that's beside the point.)praying for Palin. Well, as it turns out, he's not such a nice guy. Read on:

Muthee and his wife returned home to Kenya from Scotland, where he had finished his graduate studies, in 1988.[3] They soon felt that they were "called by God to Kiambu" and after six months of prayer, research, and "spiritual mapping," they came to believe that a woman known as "Mama Jane" was a witch, and thereby caused traffic fatalities, traffic accidents, crime, and spiritual oppression in the area. [2][5] Muthee alleged that "top government and business leaders [were] afraid to do anything without her approval," that at least one person per month would die in a car accident in front of her "divination house"[3] and that she weekly "went to Thomas' church site, performed magic, and cast her spells and curses."[4] Muthee publicly declared, “Mama Jane either gets saved and serves the Lord, or she leaves town! There is no longer room in Kiambu for both of us!"[4] Soon after his followers began to pray that God would either save or oust Mama Jane, three young people died in another apparent accident in front of Mama Jane's house, according to Muthee's account.[3] Angry townsfolk wanted to stone Mama Jane in retaliation for the traffic accidents. When the police entered Mama Jane's home to intervene, they were allegedly startled by what they believed to be a demon and shot her pet python to death.[3][5] Mama Jane was then questioned by police, after which she left town, according to some accounts.[3]

Muthee has frequently referred to the Mama Jane event as an example of successful “spiritual mapping," which includes locating specific witches by research and prayer,[6] and spiritual warfare, claiming that crime and traffic accidents were reduced as a result of chasing Mama Jane out of town.[2][4][5] Others have referred to the event as an example of the power of prayer.[7][8] The event was depicted in two videos by George Otis, Jr.,[9][10] in which Muthee claimed that the crime and traffic accident rate in Kiambu dropped drastically after Mama Jane left, and that he is responsible for positive social change in the town.[2][4][11]

Workgroup "Back to the Bible," headed by Pastor Rien van de Kraats of Kamperland, Netherlands, found no police reports or any other sources that backed up Muthee’s claims.[12] Investigators have asserted that "Mama Jane" is Jane Njenga, a local pastor who never left Kiambu.[13]

This leads us to one of two conclusions:
A)This man is preying on the fears of locals, and is actively persecuting anyone who doesn't fit his personal description of "acceptable". He has the police on his side, and is an active danger to anyone who crosses his path. All non-christians have something to genuinely fear.

B)He's a con artist who wants more power, and is using Christianity to achieve his own twisted goals, and is succeeding.
Now, where's the Palin connection, and what was said?


Bishop Muthee visited the Wasilla Assembly of God in 2005, delivering several guest sermons.[14] During one sermon, Muthee covered seven areas of society that he said Christians should control, including the economic area:

The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It is high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity, running the economics of our nations. That’s what we are waiting for. That’s part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the Israelites, you know, that’s how they won. And that’s how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, the talk transport us in the lands. We see, you know, the bankers. We see the people holding the paths. They are believers. We will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies.[15][16]

There has been debate over the meaning of his comments, with some interpreting them to be anti-Semitic, while others believe that Muthee sees Jews as role models for Christians.[17][18][19]

Muthee also said that he believed that Christians should influence education, stating, "If we have that in our schools we will not have kids being taught how to worship Buddha, how to worship (Prophet) Mohammed. We will not have in the curriculum, witchcraft and sorcery."[20]

During the same sermon, Muthee prayed over Sarah Palin, who was then campaigning for Alaska governor, asking God to "bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus... Use her to turn this nation the other way around and to keep her safe from every form of witchcraft."[21] On Sept. 25, 2008, during the United States presidential election of 2008, an Associated Press article on the blessing was published in international news.[22] Some sources compared the story to the Jeremiah Wright controversy,[18][23] but The Boston Herald described it as "all smoke and no fire," [24] pointing out that some religious experts believed that, in light of Muthee's cultural background, there was nothing strange about the prayer.[25]

Muthee returned to the Wasilla church for the weekend of September 20-22, 2008.[26]

Okay, so without question-This man wants Christians to control all the wealth in the world. Without question, this man thinks that no other religion should be permissible anywhere in the world. And without question, Sarah Palin is on board. This is fucking scary, as McCain is one heartbeat away from dying. Seriously, he's OLD. He's fragile. I'm not willing to bet money on him living through his term. It's not because I think he's going to get killed, it's really just that he's FREAKING ANCIENT!
If Palin becomes president, we're going to see holy wars, and be ground underfoot in a new theocratic government, assuming she gets her way. And let's face it-while she can't make laws, she can at that point name cabinet members, direct foreign policy, and potentially appoint supreme court justices, all without really having to answer to the American public.

If she becomes president, I will actively look to leave the country, as my life and well being would honestly be in question, since I'm quite open about my heathenism, and it's not something that's negotiable.

[kidflash2008]

To put you at ease, Sen McCain's mother is still alive and relatively hale. While the church Gov Palin goes to is not my cup of tea, it does show the hypocritical nature of the media in their coverage. They spent a lot of time with the speech of Rev Wright, but they ignored the witch hunting and anti Jewish Reverend of Gov Palin.

There are other reasons why I voted for Sen Obama, and I also hope he wins it. I also know that the Republicans probably have a plan ready to steal this election, like they did in 2000.

[Mingus]

Originally Posted by kidflash2008

They spent a lot of time with the speech of Rev Wright, but they ignored the witch hunting and anti Jewish Reverend of Gov Palin.

I'm reminded of a radio show on the DC community radio channel WPFW that has touched on this (April 7th of this year).

I'll summarize the point in the broadcast for those not interested in listening to the entire thing. The Rev. Wright controversy has been played up as a situation where the Republicans wanted to take him down through some powerful slander. What better way to piss voters off than by taking a black man's sermon out of context?

As inflammatory as that statement is, it's the truth. It is my opinion, based on the Youtube samplings of his sermons, that Rev. Wright is speaking with the view of black history coloring his thoughts and intentions. His points, though conveyed with inflammatory language that treads toward racism, are pretty accurate. It's been 15 years since the news came out about the internal spying on blacks by the military, starting in the early 1900's; and yet, nobody says a peep about it.

It is my opinion that the "radical" black worldview is becoming more and more realistic for all Americans, not just "minorities". The fact that almost every federal agency is monitoring all us in one way or another proves this, as this information is being manipulated to serve their purpose.

Back to the original point, keeping in mind the sensationalism that ensued about Rev. Wright, AG Michael Mukasey slipped the little fact that the Bush administration knew about 9/11 and failed to act on this information. This breaking news managed only 73 repetitions in a 30 day period, compared the the 3,000+ repetitions the Wright controversy played. Obviously, Obama is the ideal candidate for us right now.

[kidflash2008]

I think it was more the Clintons' dirty politics than Republicans. Hillary wanted to win it that bad, and her husband is king of mudslinging and digging up corpses. The Republicans learned from him.

[Mingus]

Yes, the Clintons are the ones who brought it up, but the Republicans would have had to deal with the fact that they have a rep for pulling this stuff. And if you subscribe to the notion that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers routinely pull the strings behind the elections, then it would be clear why both candidates were so voracious about discrediting Obama during the primaries.

[kidflash2008]

The past presidential races in the 18th and 19th Centuries do make our races seem quite civilized. From the Grover Cleveland story of his bastard child is the song: Ma, Ma where's my Pa? (In the White House Ha, Ha, Ha!) Thomas Jefferson and John Adams hated each other and routinely called each other terrible names from incest practician to whoremonger. It is really nothing new, and it is only now considered to be intolerable.

[Mingus]

But the problem arises after the election, as the men we voted in to office in the 18th and 19th centuries were men of valor, people who understood the essence of the Constitution and wouldn't dare go against it, as that would be sacrilegious. The Architects of the US designed the nation with secular thought and religious intentions in mind; that we would have the moral authority to uphold everything we fought for in the Revolution, not the dexterity and indifference to get down on our knees and throw it away 200 years later.

We have a government full of Henry Clays; slick talking, fast moving businessman fronting as politicians. They have no soul and will do anything to buy yours. Every big decision can be influenced, if the price is right; and most of all, they only care about themselves. They are God, in their eyes.

As you can tell, my point is is that it's not about the election, it's about what happens in office afterward. The man Barack Obama was before his candidacy is the same as he is now and will be the same when he's in office (assuming he gets into office). That is what I call a moral authority, not the typical whore we elect to office nowadays.

[okirun]

Originally Posted by Sillygoth

Okay, we've all heard about Jeremiah Wright, the controversial idiot preacher of Obama, and his racially divisive "black liberation theology". While Reverend Wright is a scumbag, this guy and his connections to Palin REALLY frighten me:

Reverend Thomas Muthee is an influential preacher in Kenya. It's not really a stretch to put him on the level that Desmond Tutu was in the 80's-90's, in terms of the level of power and influence he has in the decidedly less than modern areas of Africa.

Here's a little bit about the man: (quoted from Wikipedia)

Bishop Thomas Muthee is a Kenyan preacher. He holds a Master's degree in Practical Ministry and founded the Word of Faith Church in February 1989 in the town of Kiambu, Kenya (near Nairobi) before going on to found approximately 400 churches in the nearby regions of Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Sudan, and Gisenyi in Rwanda.[1] The original church is also known as the "Prayer Cave" because meetings were originally held in a grocery basement.[2] Muthee's late wife, Margaret Muthee, was a teacher,[3] and they had two children: Joshua and Ann.[1] As of 2008, he served as the East African director of the International Spiritual Warfare Network.[4] In 2008, Muthee gained attention during the U.S. presidential campaign for previously praying for vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Now, you might ask yourself why we should be concerned about a "Bishop" (Last time I checked, only Catholics really had bishops, but I suppose that's beside the point.)praying for Palin. Well, as it turns out, he's not such a nice guy. Read on:

Muthee and his wife returned home to Kenya from Scotland, where he had finished his graduate studies, in 1988.[3] They soon felt that they were "called by God to Kiambu" and after six months of prayer, research, and "spiritual mapping," they came to believe that a woman known as "Mama Jane" was a witch, and thereby caused traffic fatalities, traffic accidents, crime, and spiritual oppression in the area. [2][5] Muthee alleged that "top government and business leaders [were] afraid to do anything without her approval," that at least one person per month would die in a car accident in front of her "divination house"[3] and that she weekly "went to Thomas' church site, performed magic, and cast her spells and curses."[4] Muthee publicly declared, “Mama Jane either gets saved and serves the Lord, or she leaves town! There is no longer room in Kiambu for both of us!"[4] Soon after his followers began to pray that God would either save or oust Mama Jane, three young people died in another apparent accident in front of Mama Jane's house, according to Muthee's account.[3] Angry townsfolk wanted to stone Mama Jane in retaliation for the traffic accidents. When the police entered Mama Jane's home to intervene, they were allegedly startled by what they believed to be a demon and shot her pet python to death.[3][5] Mama Jane was then questioned by police, after which she left town, according to some accounts.[3]

Muthee has frequently referred to the Mama Jane event as an example of successful “spiritual mapping," which includes locating specific witches by research and prayer,[6] and spiritual warfare, claiming that crime and traffic accidents were reduced as a result of chasing Mama Jane out of town.[2][4][5] Others have referred to the event as an example of the power of prayer.[7][8] The event was depicted in two videos by George Otis, Jr.,[9][10] in which Muthee claimed that the crime and traffic accident rate in Kiambu dropped drastically after Mama Jane left, and that he is responsible for positive social change in the town.[2][4][11]

Workgroup "Back to the Bible," headed by Pastor Rien van de Kraats of Kamperland, Netherlands, found no police reports or any other sources that backed up Muthee’s claims.[12] Investigators have asserted that "Mama Jane" is Jane Njenga, a local pastor who never left Kiambu.[13]

This leads us to one of two conclusions:
A)This man is preying on the fears of locals, and is actively persecuting anyone who doesn't fit his personal description of "acceptable". He has the police on his side, and is an active danger to anyone who crosses his path. All non-christians have something to genuinely fear.

B)He's a con artist who wants more power, and is using Christianity to achieve his own twisted goals, and is succeeding.
Now, where's the Palin connection, and what was said?


Bishop Muthee visited the Wasilla Assembly of God in 2005, delivering several guest sermons.[14] During one sermon, Muthee covered seven areas of society that he said Christians should control, including the economic area:

The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It is high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity, running the economics of our nations. That’s what we are waiting for. That’s part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the Israelites, you know, that’s how they won. And that’s how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, the talk transport us in the lands. We see, you know, the bankers. We see the people holding the paths. They are believers. We will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies.[15][16]

There has been debate over the meaning of his comments, with some interpreting them to be anti-Semitic, while others believe that Muthee sees Jews as role models for Christians.[17][18][19]

Muthee also said that he believed that Christians should influence education, stating, "If we have that in our schools we will not have kids being taught how to worship Buddha, how to worship (Prophet) Mohammed. We will not have in the curriculum, witchcraft and sorcery."[20]

During the same sermon, Muthee prayed over Sarah Palin, who was then campaigning for Alaska governor, asking God to "bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus... Use her to turn this nation the other way around and to keep her safe from every form of witchcraft."[21] On Sept. 25, 2008, during the United States presidential election of 2008, an Associated Press article on the blessing was published in international news.[22] Some sources compared the story to the Jeremiah Wright controversy,[18][23] but The Boston Herald described it as "all smoke and no fire," [24] pointing out that some religious experts believed that, in light of Muthee's cultural background, there was nothing strange about the prayer.[25]

Muthee returned to the Wasilla church for the weekend of September 20-22, 2008.[26]

Okay, so without question-This man wants Christians to control all the wealth in the world. Without question, this man thinks that no other religion should be permissible anywhere in the world. And without question, Sarah Palin is on board. This is fucking scary, as McCain is one heartbeat away from dying. Seriously, he's OLD. He's fragile. I'm not willing to bet money on him living through his term. It's not because I think he's going to get killed, it's really just that he's FREAKING ANCIENT!
If Palin becomes president, we're going to see holy wars, and be ground underfoot in a new theocratic government, assuming she gets her way. And let's face it-while she can't make laws, she can at that point name cabinet members, direct foreign policy, and potentially appoint supreme court justices, all without really having to answer to the American public.

If she becomes president, I will actively look to leave the country, as my life and well being would honestly be in question, since I'm quite open about my heathenism, and it's not something that's negotiable.

Fear that not, Obama is the president-elect now

[J@X]

U. S. SUPREME COURT AWAITS RESPONSE TO
BERG'S WRIT OF CERTIORARI
FROM OBAMA, DNC and Co-DEFENDANTS

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 11/07/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States filed a Writ of Certiorari in the United States Supreme Court on October 30, 2008, requesting review of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Judge Surrick’s Dismissal of Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit against Barack H. Obama, Jr., the DNC and the other co-Defendants.

Accordingly, the U. S. Supreme Court has set dates in which Barack Obama, the DNC and all co-Defendants are to respond to the Writ, which is on or before December 1, 2008.

[link to www.obamacrimes.com]

[kidflash2008]

FactCheck.org has already shown the birth certificate claims to be false:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

The site is non partisan. I hope the Obama haters can wait until their beloved Sarah runs in 2012.

I also heard Sen John McCain extending his hand out to help President elect Obama however he can. The Obama staff responded by stating they need Sen McCain to help them. The hatchet is buried, and now the country can get some problems taken care of. Still President Bush does not want to tackle anything in his term and that is too bad.