Bob lazars story

Mulderandscully · 06-07-2009, 05:36 PM

Perhaps the most researched and well-known "flying saucer" known to the world of Ufology is the so-called "Sports Model" which physicist Bob Lazar came into contact with while working at the S-4 facility at Area 51 in Nevada. These are not "models" but the real thing.

The dimensions of the "Sports Model" are 16 feet tall and 52 feet, nine inches in diameter. The exterior skin of the disc is metal and coloring similar to unpolished stainless steel. The craft sits on its belly when its not energized. The entry hatch is located on the upper half of the disc, with just the bottom portion of the door wrapping around the center lip of the disc.

The disc is one of nine, given to the American government in an "exchange" program in the early 1970's. The makers of the craft and providers of the fuel, Element 115, were from the Zeta Reticuli star system. What we exchanged for the technology is not known. A back engineering program began in 1979 of the remaining hardware and technology.

The interior of the disc is divided into three levels. The lower level is where the three gravity amplifiers and their wave guides are located. These are the integral components of the propulsion system that are used to amplify and focus the gravity A wave.

The Reactor is located directly above the three gravity amplifiers on the center level and is in fact centered between them. The reactor is a closed system which uses the Element 115 as its fuel. The element is also the source of the gravity-A wave which is amplified for space/time distortion and travel.

The Center level of the disc also houses the control consoles and seats, both of which were too small and too low to the floor to be functional for adult human beings. The walls of the center level are all divided into archways. At one point in time, when the disc was energized, one of the archways became transparent and you could see the area outside of it just as if the archway was a window.

When Lazar was shown the disc, something incredible happened, of which current technology could not produce. A form of writing which was unlike any alphabetic, scientific, or mathematical symbols Lazar had ever seen, began to appear on the one side of the transparent archway. Lazar was never given access to the upper level of the disc so what the porthole-like areas are can't be illustrated, but they're definitely not portholes.

The Reactor

The power source is a reactor which uses Element 115 as its fuel. In this reactor Element 115 is used as a target and is bombarded with protons in a small, highly sophisticated particle accelerator. When a proton fuses into the nucleus of an atom of Element 115, it is transmuted and becomes an atom of Element 116. Although we too can transmute elements here on earth, it is typically not done in this fashion, or at anywhere near this level of efficiency. As soon as each atom of 115 is transmuted into 116, it immediately decays and produces a radiation unlike that which we normally observe in nuclear decay. Each atom of Element 116 decays and releases two antiprotons (anti-hydrogen), a form of antimatter. Antimatter can be produced in particle accelerators here on earth, but only in minute quantities and only stored for short periods of time.

The flux of antimatter particles produced in the reactor are channeled down an evacuated, tuned tube (which keeps it from contacting with the matter that surrounds it) and reacted with a gaseous matter target. This Total Annihilation reaction is the most efficient and energetic nuclear reaction there is. The more familiar nuclear reactions are Fission, producing energy from the splitting of atoms as used in nuclear reactors & atomic bombs, and Fusion, the fusing or combining of atoms (typically hydrogen nuclei) to release even more energy. Fusion is the reaction that powers the sun and other stars and is what gives hydrogen bombs their "punch". These two more common nuclear reactions are dwarfed by the power and efficiency of the annihilation reaction used in the alien reactor.

The reaction between the gaseous matter target and the antimatter particles produces a continuous release of tremendous amounts of heat. This heat is converted directly into electricity by the use of a thermionic Generator. The Thermeonic generator used in this reactor is so efficient, that there is no detectable waste heat produced. This is an apparent violation of one of the basic laws of thermodynamics. Similar, but not nearly as efficient or powerful, thermionic generators are used as power sources in our satellites and space probes.

As amazing and efficient as all this seems, it is only secondary to the primary function of the reactor. The antiparticle flux emitted from the transmuting Element 115 is not the only energy radiated during operation. This is the point at which the gravity A wave is first produced. The gravity wave emitted by the 115 reaction appears on the hemisphere of the reactor, propagating up the tuned waveguide in a fashion very similar to the way microwaves behave.

All of the actions and reactions inside the reactor are orchestrated perfectly like a tiny little ballet, and in this manner, the reactor provides an enormous amount of power used to amplify the gravity A wave so it can cause the requisite space/time distortion for space travel.

kidflash2008 · 06-08-2009, 10:16 AM

Bob Lazar is one of the more controversial figures in what we call ufology. Anything can be said with nothing to back it up and one can have a huge following in the field. Mr Lazar has many, many problems with his stories. One of the major problems I keep asking about are never answered by his many thousands of defenders.

He claims to have been hired by a contractor to do a job for Area 51. Yet he shows a pay stub that is created by the government. I have been in the military and have worked with contractors and know a little bit about the procedures. He would be paid by his contractor, not the government (or military). Think of it this way, if you want a new roof for your house, you contract a roofer to do it. You pay the roofer to do the work needed, and the roofer pays his own workers. The same model applies for the government and other contractors.

Also, he only worked at the alleged facility for about a month. He would have been given other less classified jobs until his high security clearance went through. This is the case with anyone who needs to get a security upgrade to work on a project that would be as classified as this one.

The cold reality is Area 51 is a test facility for aircraft under the military. It does not house aliens or alien spacecraft, and that is not what people want to hear.

I do believe the government did uncover an extraterrestrial craft of sorts at both Roswell and Kecksburg PA. However, they did not move them to Area 51. Researcher Major Kevin Randle has interviewed many high ranking officers (Brigadier General Arthur Exon is one of them) and they state the craft in question are at other locations.

Here is Stanton Friedman's take on Bob Lazar (scroll down the site to the article):

http://www.stantonfriedman.com/

Mulderandscully · 06-08-2009, 10:39 AM

yea we know it sounds like he had holes in his stories but thats what they want us to believe,they want us to think he is crazy and he has saw little green men.

kidflash2008 · 06-08-2009, 10:59 AM

I think people have it wrong about the government playing games with ufology. There are enough kooks and personalities in the field to ruin each other. They do not need help from any alphabet agency (although a little push does not help).

Take a look at all the whistle blowers out there. Not one of them have any evidence to back up their claims. They also have stories that contradict each other all the time. Mr Lazar has stated that Jesus was an alien in disguise, while Sgt Clifford Stone (USA ret) claims the aliens are Christians themselves. CSM Robert Dean now states that Nibiru is approaching and has also changed his story all the time.

I do not believe the whistle blowers unless they can come up with some tangible evidence to support the claims.

If you read what nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman has to say on Element 115, that alone puts many holes in Mr Lazar's story. George Knapp may believe it, but he is not a true journalist in that he does not fact check his sources. Aliens are at Area 51, and you better believe it or you are a disinformation agent. (I have been accused of being a disinfo agent at other sites.)

I do believe a craft crashed at Roswell, as there was a press release on it. That was before the military decided they did not want to panic the public. Why would a base commander risk his future by playing a prank? The ranchers knew what a weather balloon was as they had them crash before and did not want their cattle to eat the materials. Intelligence officers would immediately know what a weather balloon (or Mogul Balloon) looked like. Flag officers would not get involved in a balloon crash over the Fourth of July weekend, but they were at Roswell for this crash. The pieces recovered would of been sent through normal supply chains, yet the debris was specially flown to Wright-Patterson AAF. As one can see, my military experience brings up questions others may not think about.

Mulderandscully · 06-08-2009, 11:29 AM

well not sure if his story is true or not but we know for a fact we have seen a ufo but thats another story and if we have saw them so maybe they hired bob to give a lame story to cover things up,,and our uncle and aunt hauled freight on a flatbed truck in the 70s for the air force,they were given permission to shoot and kill if stopped and they never knew what they were hauling but the load was dropped off near groom lake.

Area-51 · 06-09-2009, 05:19 AM

And I thought it's only me, who is a Lazar-addict

kidflash2008 · 06-09-2009, 12:47 PM

I wonder if your aunt and uncle had a US Marshall escort them. Do you know any more details on what they hauled? It would be interesting to hear their stories.

The best thing to do is hide stuff in plain site. That is why I think the government lets people think there are aliens and other interesting items at Area 51. That way they can keep what they have (if they really do have it) at another location.

Mulderandscully · 06-09-2009, 01:00 PM

well they were told dynamite was their load,but why would they use a flat bed truck instead of a trailer??and i dont think they used a escort but i could be wrong.

kidflash2008 · 06-10-2009, 10:47 AM

I don't think they would keep dynamite so exposed either. It is sometimes easier to just do the job and not ask any questions.

Mulderandscully · 06-13-2009, 08:14 AM

yea they did and they were paid well,well enough to buy a house on the lake,,they made that haul for about3 yrs up until my uncle got sick.

06-07-2009, 05:36 PM	#1
Mulderandscully Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: cherryville nc Posts: 237	Bob lazars story Perhaps the most researched and well-known "flying saucer" known to the world of Ufology is the so-called "Sports Model" which physicist Bob Lazar came into contact with while working at the S-4 facility at Area 51 in Nevada. These are not "models" but the real thing. The dimensions of the "Sports Model" are 16 feet tall and 52 feet, nine inches in diameter. The exterior skin of the disc is metal and coloring similar to unpolished stainless steel. The craft sits on its belly when its not energized. The entry hatch is located on the upper half of the disc, with just the bottom portion of the door wrapping around the center lip of the disc. The disc is one of nine, given to the American government in an "exchange" program in the early 1970's. The makers of the craft and providers of the fuel, Element 115, were from the Zeta Reticuli star system. What we exchanged for the technology is not known. A back engineering program began in 1979 of the remaining hardware and technology. The interior of the disc is divided into three levels. The lower level is where the three gravity amplifiers and their wave guides are located. These are the integral components of the propulsion system that are used to amplify and focus the gravity A wave. The Reactor is located directly above the three gravity amplifiers on the center level and is in fact centered between them. The reactor is a closed system which uses the Element 115 as its fuel. The element is also the source of the gravity-A wave which is amplified for space/time distortion and travel. The Center level of the disc also houses the control consoles and seats, both of which were too small and too low to the floor to be functional for adult human beings. The walls of the center level are all divided into archways. At one point in time, when the disc was energized, one of the archways became transparent and you could see the area outside of it just as if the archway was a window. When Lazar was shown the disc, something incredible happened, of which current technology could not produce. A form of writing which was unlike any alphabetic, scientific, or mathematical symbols Lazar had ever seen, began to appear on the one side of the transparent archway. Lazar was never given access to the upper level of the disc so what the porthole-like areas are can't be illustrated, but they're definitely not portholes. The Reactor The power source is a reactor which uses Element 115 as its fuel. In this reactor Element 115 is used as a target and is bombarded with protons in a small, highly sophisticated particle accelerator. When a proton fuses into the nucleus of an atom of Element 115, it is transmuted and becomes an atom of Element 116. Although we too can transmute elements here on earth, it is typically not done in this fashion, or at anywhere near this level of efficiency. As soon as each atom of 115 is transmuted into 116, it immediately decays and produces a radiation unlike that which we normally observe in nuclear decay. Each atom of Element 116 decays and releases two antiprotons (anti-hydrogen), a form of antimatter. Antimatter can be produced in particle accelerators here on earth, but only in minute quantities and only stored for short periods of time. The flux of antimatter particles produced in the reactor are channeled down an evacuated, tuned tube (which keeps it from contacting with the matter that surrounds it) and reacted with a gaseous matter target. This Total Annihilation reaction is the most efficient and energetic nuclear reaction there is. The more familiar nuclear reactions are Fission, producing energy from the splitting of atoms as used in nuclear reactors & atomic bombs, and Fusion, the fusing or combining of atoms (typically hydrogen nuclei) to release even more energy. Fusion is the reaction that powers the sun and other stars and is what gives hydrogen bombs their "punch". These two more common nuclear reactions are dwarfed by the power and efficiency of the annihilation reaction used in the alien reactor. The reaction between the gaseous matter target and the antimatter particles produces a continuous release of tremendous amounts of heat. This heat is converted directly into electricity by the use of a thermionic Generator. The Thermeonic generator used in this reactor is so efficient, that there is no detectable waste heat produced. This is an apparent violation of one of the basic laws of thermodynamics. Similar, but not nearly as efficient or powerful, thermionic generators are used as power sources in our satellites and space probes. As amazing and efficient as all this seems, it is only secondary to the primary function of the reactor. The antiparticle flux emitted from the transmuting Element 115 is not the only energy radiated during operation. This is the point at which the gravity A wave is first produced. The gravity wave emitted by the 115 reaction appears on the hemisphere of the reactor, propagating up the tuned waveguide in a fashion very similar to the way microwaves behave. All of the actions and reactions inside the reactor are orchestrated perfectly like a tiny little ballet, and in this manner, the reactor provides an enormous amount of power used to amplify the gravity A wave so it can cause the requisite space/time distortion for space travel. __________________

06-08-2009, 10:39 AM	#3
Mulderandscully Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: cherryville nc Posts: 237	yea we know it sounds like he had holes in his stories but thats what they want us to believe,they want us to think he is crazy and he has saw little green men. __________________

06-08-2009, 11:29 AM	#5
Mulderandscully Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: cherryville nc Posts: 237	well not sure if his story is true or not but we know for a fact we have seen a ufo but thats another story and if we have saw them so maybe they hired bob to give a lame story to cover things up,,and our uncle and aunt hauled freight on a flatbed truck in the 70s for the air force,they were given permission to shoot and kill if stopped and they never knew what they were hauling but the load was dropped off near groom lake. __________________

06-09-2009, 01:00 PM	#8
Mulderandscully Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: cherryville nc Posts: 237	well they were told dynamite was their load,but why would they use a flat bed truck instead of a trailer??and i dont think they used a escort but i could be wrong. __________________

06-13-2009, 08:14 AM	#10
Mulderandscully Investigator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: cherryville nc Posts: 237	yea they did and they were paid well,well enough to buy a house on the lake,,they made that haul for about3 yrs up until my uncle got sick. __________________

06-08-2009, 10:16 AM	#2
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	Bob Lazar is one of the more controversial figures in what we call ufology. Anything can be said with nothing to back it up and one can have a huge following in the field. Mr Lazar has many, many problems with his stories. One of the major problems I keep asking about are never answered by his many thousands of defenders. He claims to have been hired by a contractor to do a job for Area 51. Yet he shows a pay stub that is created by the government. I have been in the military and have worked with contractors and know a little bit about the procedures. He would be paid by his contractor, not the government (or military). Think of it this way, if you want a new roof for your house, you contract a roofer to do it. You pay the roofer to do the work needed, and the roofer pays his own workers. The same model applies for the government and other contractors. Also, he only worked at the alleged facility for about a month. He would have been given other less classified jobs until his high security clearance went through. This is the case with anyone who needs to get a security upgrade to work on a project that would be as classified as this one. The cold reality is Area 51 is a test facility for aircraft under the military. It does not house aliens or alien spacecraft, and that is not what people want to hear. I do believe the government did uncover an extraterrestrial craft of sorts at both Roswell and Kecksburg PA. However, they did not move them to Area 51. Researcher Major Kevin Randle has interviewed many high ranking officers (Brigadier General Arthur Exon is one of them) and they state the craft in question are at other locations. Here is Stanton Friedman's take on Bob Lazar (scroll down the site to the article): http://www.stantonfriedman.com/

06-08-2009, 10:59 AM	#4
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	I think people have it wrong about the government playing games with ufology. There are enough kooks and personalities in the field to ruin each other. They do not need help from any alphabet agency (although a little push does not help). Take a look at all the whistle blowers out there. Not one of them have any evidence to back up their claims. They also have stories that contradict each other all the time. Mr Lazar has stated that Jesus was an alien in disguise, while Sgt Clifford Stone (USA ret) claims the aliens are Christians themselves. CSM Robert Dean now states that Nibiru is approaching and has also changed his story all the time. I do not believe the whistle blowers unless they can come up with some tangible evidence to support the claims. If you read what nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman has to say on Element 115, that alone puts many holes in Mr Lazar's story. George Knapp may believe it, but he is not a true journalist in that he does not fact check his sources. Aliens are at Area 51, and you better believe it or you are a disinformation agent. (I have been accused of being a disinfo agent at other sites.) I do believe a craft crashed at Roswell, as there was a press release on it. That was before the military decided they did not want to panic the public. Why would a base commander risk his future by playing a prank? The ranchers knew what a weather balloon was as they had them crash before and did not want their cattle to eat the materials. Intelligence officers would immediately know what a weather balloon (or Mogul Balloon) looked like. Flag officers would not get involved in a balloon crash over the Fourth of July weekend, but they were at Roswell for this crash. The pieces recovered would of been sent through normal supply chains, yet the debris was specially flown to Wright-Patterson AAF. As one can see, my military experience brings up questions others may not think about.

06-09-2009, 05:19 AM	#6
Area-51 Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 459	And I thought it's only me, who is a Lazar-addict

06-09-2009, 12:47 PM	#7
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	I wonder if your aunt and uncle had a US Marshall escort them. Do you know any more details on what they hauled? It would be interesting to hear their stories. The best thing to do is hide stuff in plain site. That is why I think the government lets people think there are aliens and other interesting items at Area 51. That way they can keep what they have (if they really do have it) at another location.

06-10-2009, 10:47 AM	#9
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	I don't think they would keep dynamite so exposed either. It is sometimes easier to just do the job and not ask any questions.

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