Alien Earth visits Impossible

TESLATOM · 12-20-2008, 05:53 AM

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kidflash2008 · 12-20-2008, 08:16 AM

1. The probes we have sent out do not have any propulsion system as they use the planet's gravity as a slingshot effect.
2. It may be possible to go faster than light, although we are far from it.
3. Wormholes and other methods of travel are being considered to get us to other stars and galaxies.
4. We once thought it was impossible for something to leave the Earth's orbit and that has since been proved wrong. It was also thought to be impossible to send people to the moon, and that has happened.

Closed minded thinking in the science community won't get us anywhere.

Tecnos · 12-20-2008, 08:25 AM

Prof. Steven Hawking gave a similar seminar in April this year about the probability of intelligent life in the universe.

He suggests: "So should people worry about aliens? Alien abduction claims come from "weirdos" and are unlikely."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...bly-exist.html

"...... We are certainly not alone, says Prof Hawking, who was speaking at George Washington University in honour of the 50th anniversary of the US space agency, Nasa, and called for new investment in manned space exploration.

In his address, he tackled the big questions about extraterrestrial life.

Why has humanity not stumbled onto alien broadcasts, maybe something like "alien quiz shows?"

One option is that there likely is no life elsewhere. Or maybe there is intelligent life elsewhere, but when it gets smart enough to send signals into space, it also is smart enough to make destructive nuclear weapons.

He concludes: "Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare," but adds: "Some would say it has yet to occur on Earth."

So should people worry about aliens? Alien abduction claims come from "weirdos" and are unlikely.

However, because alien life might not have DNA like earthlings, Prof Hawking warned: "Watch out if you would meet an alien. You could be infected with a disease with which you have no resistance."

The Cambridge University cosmologist suffers from motor neuron disease, speaking by activating a voice synthesiser with a cheek muscle, believes "if the human race is to continue for another million years, we will have to boldly go where no one has gone before."

Writing only a few weeks ago in the Telegraph, he said: "At the moment we have nowhere else to go, but in the long run the human race should not have all its eggs in one basket, or on one planet. I just hope we can avoid dropping the basket until then."

The scientist, who did pioneering work on black holes and on a theory of everything, compares people who do not want to spend money on human space exploration to those who opposed the journey of Christopher Columbus.

"In a way, the situation is like Europe before 1492. People might well have argued that it was a waste of money to send Columbus on a wild goose chase."

"Yet the discovery of the new world made profound difference to the old. Just think, we would not have a Big Mac or KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken)," he added referring to the ubiquitous US fast food outlets.

"Spreading out into space will have an even greater effect. It will completely change the future of the human race and maybe determine whether we have any future at all," added the 66-year-old.

Hawking envisages a long-term space exploration project that would include building an experimental base on the moon within 30 years, and devising a new propulsion system to take us on a planetary hunt outside our solar system in 200-500 years.

"It will not solve any of our immediate problems on planet Earth," he said, "but it will give us a new perspective on them and... hopefully, it will unite us to face a common challenge."

"Going into space will not be cheap, but it will take only a small portion of world resources," he added.

He himself wants to be part of the adventure. A year ago he floated about in a state of zero gravity aboard a special plane.

He hopes to repeat the experience in space, above the atmosphere, aboard the maiden, suborbital flight of the Virgin Galactic of British billionaire Richard Branson's venture company Virgin Group, whose first flight is planned for next year, and the first space wedding too."
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Tecnos · 12-20-2008, 08:31 AM

Maybe we are thinking too one dimensionally about ET's etc....

Maybe they don't actually have to travel that far using wormholes or gravity slingshots....

Maybe they just have to pop over from preciseley the same place in another omniverse.
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Area-51 · 12-20-2008, 09:50 AM

I do believe that it is possible for e.b.e.´s to travel to Earth and I actually believe they already have visited this planet we´re living on.

Mingus · 12-20-2008, 10:33 AM

Given that there are many whistleblowers that say that the knowledge that the public has and the knowledge within the government is two different things, we must conclude that wormholes are only one means of travel, and a virtually suicidal and expensive one at that.

As written by Kip Thorne, he worked out that you would have to have "exotic" materials to hold a wormhole open. Something that operates kind of like Hawking radiation, something with a negative energy value in our frame of existence, but has a positive energy value inside the wormhole. He goes on to discuss his personal education and discoveries on wormholes, as he met people who were more learned on the subject than he, which leads us to the fact that you actually would be able to travel distance and time in a wormhole.

All this because Carl Sagan asked him to review his draft of Contact.

kidflash2008 · 12-21-2008, 08:35 AM

1. If the aliens are millions of years ahead of us, they probably have developed the means to travel faster than light or using wormholes. Even Stanton Friedman stated it would be like going back in time and giving Christopher Columbus a nuclear submarine and telling him to make one just like it. Could he do it back then with the limited knowledge? No, just as we cannot do it with our limited knowledge today.

2. I guess Mr Hawking considers Betty and Barney Hill to be weirdos. He probably thinks Dr J Allen Hynek is the Mad Hatter. It is a shame the UFO community gets that kind of treatment from the mainstream scientists. We do need to clean up our act and focus on the best cases we have.

Mingus · 12-21-2008, 03:45 PM

Hawking grew up knowing UFO's are science fiction (at best it was a cultural phenomenon at the time) and went on to discover the nature of black holes. His view on science is understandably narrow. He never really strayed from black holes, and thus has completely ignored the quandry that is wormholes and time travel.

kidflash2008 · 12-22-2008, 09:06 AM

If the UFO community had its act together, and presented the most reliable cases with all the research, there would be more respect from people like Dr Hawking. Too many researchers believe the entire claims out there without any real research. If a case does not ring true, some of those researchers will take out the information that is damaging to them. The Gulf Breeze case where a teenage boy told helping the photographer faking the pictures was ignored or deemed a liar. In the Travis Walton case, Mr Walton did not pass the first lie detector test, and that test was covered up. When the failed test was found out, the researchers attacked the test giver and said it was supposed to be confidential. If they would of come clean, there would not be as big a cloud as the cover-up caused.

12-20-2008, 05:53 AM	#1
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12-20-2008, 08:25 AM	#3
Tecnos Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 419	Prof. Steven Hawking gave a similar seminar in April this year about the probability of intelligent life in the universe. He suggests: "So should people worry about aliens? Alien abduction claims come from "weirdos" and are unlikely." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...bly-exist.html "...... We are certainly not alone, says Prof Hawking, who was speaking at George Washington University in honour of the 50th anniversary of the US space agency, Nasa, and called for new investment in manned space exploration. In his address, he tackled the big questions about extraterrestrial life. Why has humanity not stumbled onto alien broadcasts, maybe something like "alien quiz shows?" One option is that there likely is no life elsewhere. Or maybe there is intelligent life elsewhere, but when it gets smart enough to send signals into space, it also is smart enough to make destructive nuclear weapons. He concludes: "Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare," but adds: "Some would say it has yet to occur on Earth." So should people worry about aliens? Alien abduction claims come from "weirdos" and are unlikely. However, because alien life might not have DNA like earthlings, Prof Hawking warned: "Watch out if you would meet an alien. You could be infected with a disease with which you have no resistance." The Cambridge University cosmologist suffers from motor neuron disease, speaking by activating a voice synthesiser with a cheek muscle, believes "if the human race is to continue for another million years, we will have to boldly go where no one has gone before." Writing only a few weeks ago in the Telegraph, he said: "At the moment we have nowhere else to go, but in the long run the human race should not have all its eggs in one basket, or on one planet. I just hope we can avoid dropping the basket until then." The scientist, who did pioneering work on black holes and on a theory of everything, compares people who do not want to spend money on human space exploration to those who opposed the journey of Christopher Columbus. "In a way, the situation is like Europe before 1492. People might well have argued that it was a waste of money to send Columbus on a wild goose chase." "Yet the discovery of the new world made profound difference to the old. Just think, we would not have a Big Mac or KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken)," he added referring to the ubiquitous US fast food outlets. "Spreading out into space will have an even greater effect. It will completely change the future of the human race and maybe determine whether we have any future at all," added the 66-year-old. Hawking envisages a long-term space exploration project that would include building an experimental base on the moon within 30 years, and devising a new propulsion system to take us on a planetary hunt outside our solar system in 200-500 years. "It will not solve any of our immediate problems on planet Earth," he said, "but it will give us a new perspective on them and... hopefully, it will unite us to face a common challenge." "Going into space will not be cheap, but it will take only a small portion of world resources," he added. He himself wants to be part of the adventure. A year ago he floated about in a state of zero gravity aboard a special plane. He hopes to repeat the experience in space, above the atmosphere, aboard the maiden, suborbital flight of the Virgin Galactic of British billionaire Richard Branson's venture company Virgin Group, whose first flight is planned for next year, and the first space wedding too." ________ buy iolite vaporizer Last edited by Tecnos; 01-19-2011 at 06:08 AM.

12-20-2008, 08:31 AM	#4
Tecnos Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 419	Maybe we are thinking too one dimensionally about ET's etc.... Maybe they don't actually have to travel that far using wormholes or gravity slingshots.... Maybe they just have to pop over from preciseley the same place in another omniverse. ________ volcano vaporizer classic Last edited by Tecnos; 01-19-2011 at 06:09 AM.

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12-20-2008, 08:16 AM	#2
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	1. The probes we have sent out do not have any propulsion system as they use the planet's gravity as a slingshot effect. 2. It may be possible to go faster than light, although we are far from it. 3. Wormholes and other methods of travel are being considered to get us to other stars and galaxies. 4. We once thought it was impossible for something to leave the Earth's orbit and that has since been proved wrong. It was also thought to be impossible to send people to the moon, and that has happened. Closed minded thinking in the science community won't get us anywhere.

12-20-2008, 09:50 AM	#5
Area-51 Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 459	I do believe that it is possible for e.b.e.´s to travel to Earth and I actually believe they already have visited this planet we´re living on.

12-20-2008, 10:33 AM	#6
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	Given that there are many whistleblowers that say that the knowledge that the public has and the knowledge within the government is two different things, we must conclude that wormholes are only one means of travel, and a virtually suicidal and expensive one at that. As written by Kip Thorne, he worked out that you would have to have "exotic" materials to hold a wormhole open. Something that operates kind of like Hawking radiation, something with a negative energy value in our frame of existence, but has a positive energy value inside the wormhole. He goes on to discuss his personal education and discoveries on wormholes, as he met people who were more learned on the subject than he, which leads us to the fact that you actually would be able to travel distance and time in a wormhole. All this because Carl Sagan asked him to review his draft of Contact.

12-21-2008, 08:35 AM	#7
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	1. If the aliens are millions of years ahead of us, they probably have developed the means to travel faster than light or using wormholes. Even Stanton Friedman stated it would be like going back in time and giving Christopher Columbus a nuclear submarine and telling him to make one just like it. Could he do it back then with the limited knowledge? No, just as we cannot do it with our limited knowledge today. 2. I guess Mr Hawking considers Betty and Barney Hill to be weirdos. He probably thinks Dr J Allen Hynek is the Mad Hatter. It is a shame the UFO community gets that kind of treatment from the mainstream scientists. We do need to clean up our act and focus on the best cases we have.

12-21-2008, 03:45 PM	#8
Mingus Investigator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325	Hawking grew up knowing UFO's are science fiction (at best it was a cultural phenomenon at the time) and went on to discover the nature of black holes. His view on science is understandably narrow. He never really strayed from black holes, and thus has completely ignored the quandry that is wormholes and time travel.

12-22-2008, 09:06 AM	#9
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	If the UFO community had its act together, and presented the most reliable cases with all the research, there would be more respect from people like Dr Hawking. Too many researchers believe the entire claims out there without any real research. If a case does not ring true, some of those researchers will take out the information that is damaging to them. The Gulf Breeze case where a teenage boy told helping the photographer faking the pictures was ignored or deemed a liar. In the Travis Walton case, Mr Walton did not pass the first lie detector test, and that test was covered up. When the failed test was found out, the researchers attacked the test giver and said it was supposed to be confidential. If they would of come clean, there would not be as big a cloud as the cover-up caused.