Disclosure:2007/2008/2009...

kidflash2008 · 12-27-2008, 10:04 AM

As one can see, I am writing threads about some controversial parts of the paranormal/Ufology community. I am one who keeps an open mind, and tries to find the explanations to what is going on out there. I have noticed there are diverse opinions on what is going on or going to happen. I have already written about Nibiru, now I will try to address the disclosure argument.

1. What if there really is nothing to disclose? The argument is the governments/military have alien craft parts and bodies stored away or are testing them at secret bases. There is a possibility that aliens have not crashed or even visited us. (I believe they have, but I am playing devil's advocate here.) It may have been a classified plane of ours that crashed at Roswell. The government may be telling the truth when they say they do not have any alien artifacts in their possession. No one in the UFO community would believe them, and they have give good reason. But this is an alternative that must be faced.

2. If the military was in possession of any alien type craft, they would want to keep the secret technology all to themselves. If anything was disclosed, many would want what has been learned so far. This would create a lot of tensions in the intelligence agencies, and they would rather not deal with that. The best way not to is to keep it a highly classified secret. Having been in the military, they love to keep their little programs and secrets. They will never share if they don't have to.

3. I am positive most people would be OK upon learning we are not alone. However, it is the large percentage that it would be a major problem with. Would there be riots, or how would they handle the information? It is also not really known what percentage would be comfortable with the knowledge. Polls have been wrong before, and this is something the governments would not chance to a number cruncher. We are still fighting and killing each other for the dumbest of reasons. Until we start to mature, then we might really be able to handle the subject of not being alone.

4. "You can have my DVD and book for only $100. I have a private seminar that will cost you $1000 (you pay your own food, lodging and travel)." I have noticed many of the experts on disclosure who have all the knowledge are not afraid to make some money off those who want the same information. A very famous disclosure specialist even makes his guests sign nondisclosure forms during his rather costly seminars. This is my main problem with disclosure, is that it has too many con artists out there who will make plenty of money off of the stool pigeons who call themselves UFO believers. While I am not against the idea of making money by writing books, I think too many people get taken advantage of in the UFO field.

The main problem is believers want to believe just about anything told to them by someone who is a contactee, remote viewer, whistle blower (I worked with aliens) etc. While I do believe in keeping an open mind, I also think tough questions need to be asked. Disclosure will not happen anytime soon, no matter what that juicy new thread states. Disclosure was going to happen when Jimmy Carter took office in January of 1977. It has been 32 years, and we are still waiting, Mr Carter.

22050hz · 01-01-2009, 04:32 PM

1. What if there really is nothing to disclose? The argument is the governments/military have alien craft parts and bodies stored away or are testing them at secret bases. There is a possibility that aliens have not crashed or even visited us. (I believe they have, but I am playing devil's advocate here.) It may have been a classified plane of ours that crashed at Roswell. The government may be telling the truth when they say they do not have any alien artifacts in their possession. No one in the UFO community would believe them, and they have give good reason. But this is an alternative that must be faced.

See France and UK's x-files....impossible for the USA to have "nothing".

2. If the military was in possession of any alien type craft, they would want to keep the secret technology all to themselves. If anything was disclosed, many would want what has been learned so far. This would create a lot of tensions in the intelligence agencies, and they would rather not deal with that. The best way not to is to keep it a highly classified secret. Having been in the military, they love to keep their little programs and secrets. They will never share if they don't have to.

True. But they have to. All we need is someone with enough "balls" to move it forward.

3. I am positive most people would be OK upon learning we are not alone. However, it is the large percentage that it would be a major problem with. Would there be riots, or how would they handle the information? It is also not really known what percentage would be comfortable with the knowledge. Polls have been wrong before, and this is something the governments would not chance to a number cruncher. We are still fighting and killing each other for the dumbest of reasons. Until we start to mature, then we might really be able to handle the subject of not being alone.

100% agree.

4. "You can have my DVD and book for only $100. I have a private seminar that will cost you $1000 (you pay your own food, lodging and travel)." I have noticed many of the experts on disclosure who have all the knowledge are not afraid to make some money off those who want the same information. A very famous disclosure specialist even makes his guests sign nondisclosure forms during his rather costly seminars. This is my main problem with disclosure, is that it has too many con artists out there who will make plenty of money off of the stool pigeons who call themselves UFO believers. While I am not against the idea of making money by writing books, I think too many people get taken advantage of in the UFO field.

There will always be con-artists. What's your point exactly?

kidflash2008 · 01-02-2009, 09:18 AM

1. The possibility is always there that no one has any crashed saucers. While there are many interesting cases, there is no real smoking gun. MJ-12 is a well done hoax, and other documents are not proof positive. There definitely was an interest in the subject, but nothing to really say we have something. Do I believe we don't have extraterrestrial craft and/or bodies in storage somewhere? No, I think there is something somewhere. But that is conjecture on my part, as I have no real evidence, just some very good cases to argue the point. When discussing disclosure, this aspect of it must be included, as we could be wrong on whether or not the government has anything.

4. I am trying to make a point about all the "whistle blowers" and disclosure groups out there whose motive seems to be profit only. They will sell you their books, DVDs and if you can afford it an expensive seminar. Many of the sites ask for donations, and although there is nothing wrong with that, I do think people should be wary of it. When I here or think of disclosure and exopolitics, I think of the money scams some of them have.

Basically, I am furthering the argument that disclosure has been promised since Jimmy Carter took office in 1977, and nothing has happened since. Every day a new site pops up stating disclosure is closer, when in truth it is further away than ever before.

12-27-2008, 10:04 AM	#1
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	Disclosure:2007/2008/2009... As one can see, I am writing threads about some controversial parts of the paranormal/Ufology community. I am one who keeps an open mind, and tries to find the explanations to what is going on out there. I have noticed there are diverse opinions on what is going on or going to happen. I have already written about Nibiru, now I will try to address the disclosure argument. 1. What if there really is nothing to disclose? The argument is the governments/military have alien craft parts and bodies stored away or are testing them at secret bases. There is a possibility that aliens have not crashed or even visited us. (I believe they have, but I am playing devil's advocate here.) It may have been a classified plane of ours that crashed at Roswell. The government may be telling the truth when they say they do not have any alien artifacts in their possession. No one in the UFO community would believe them, and they have give good reason. But this is an alternative that must be faced. 2. If the military was in possession of any alien type craft, they would want to keep the secret technology all to themselves. If anything was disclosed, many would want what has been learned so far. This would create a lot of tensions in the intelligence agencies, and they would rather not deal with that. The best way not to is to keep it a highly classified secret. Having been in the military, they love to keep their little programs and secrets. They will never share if they don't have to. 3. I am positive most people would be OK upon learning we are not alone. However, it is the large percentage that it would be a major problem with. Would there be riots, or how would they handle the information? It is also not really known what percentage would be comfortable with the knowledge. Polls have been wrong before, and this is something the governments would not chance to a number cruncher. We are still fighting and killing each other for the dumbest of reasons. Until we start to mature, then we might really be able to handle the subject of not being alone. 4. "You can have my DVD and book for only $100. I have a private seminar that will cost you $1000 (you pay your own food, lodging and travel)." I have noticed many of the experts on disclosure who have all the knowledge are not afraid to make some money off those who want the same information. A very famous disclosure specialist even makes his guests sign nondisclosure forms during his rather costly seminars. This is my main problem with disclosure, is that it has too many con artists out there who will make plenty of money off of the stool pigeons who call themselves UFO believers. While I am not against the idea of making money by writing books, I think too many people get taken advantage of in the UFO field. The main problem is believers want to believe just about anything told to them by someone who is a contactee, remote viewer, whistle blower (I worked with aliens) etc. While I do believe in keeping an open mind, I also think tough questions need to be asked. Disclosure will not happen anytime soon, no matter what that juicy new thread states. Disclosure was going to happen when Jimmy Carter took office in January of 1977. It has been 32 years, and we are still waiting, Mr Carter.

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01-01-2009, 04:32 PM	#2
22050hz Junior Investigator Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1	1. What if there really is nothing to disclose? The argument is the governments/military have alien craft parts and bodies stored away or are testing them at secret bases. There is a possibility that aliens have not crashed or even visited us. (I believe they have, but I am playing devil's advocate here.) It may have been a classified plane of ours that crashed at Roswell. The government may be telling the truth when they say they do not have any alien artifacts in their possession. No one in the UFO community would believe them, and they have give good reason. But this is an alternative that must be faced. See France and UK's x-files....impossible for the USA to have "nothing". 2. If the military was in possession of any alien type craft, they would want to keep the secret technology all to themselves. If anything was disclosed, many would want what has been learned so far. This would create a lot of tensions in the intelligence agencies, and they would rather not deal with that. The best way not to is to keep it a highly classified secret. Having been in the military, they love to keep their little programs and secrets. They will never share if they don't have to. True. But they have to. All we need is someone with enough "balls" to move it forward. 3. I am positive most people would be OK upon learning we are not alone. However, it is the large percentage that it would be a major problem with. Would there be riots, or how would they handle the information? It is also not really known what percentage would be comfortable with the knowledge. Polls have been wrong before, and this is something the governments would not chance to a number cruncher. We are still fighting and killing each other for the dumbest of reasons. Until we start to mature, then we might really be able to handle the subject of not being alone. 100% agree. 4. "You can have my DVD and book for only $100. I have a private seminar that will cost you $1000 (you pay your own food, lodging and travel)." I have noticed many of the experts on disclosure who have all the knowledge are not afraid to make some money off those who want the same information. A very famous disclosure specialist even makes his guests sign nondisclosure forms during his rather costly seminars. This is my main problem with disclosure, is that it has too many con artists out there who will make plenty of money off of the stool pigeons who call themselves UFO believers. While I am not against the idea of making money by writing books, I think too many people get taken advantage of in the UFO field. There will always be con-artists. What's your point exactly?

01-02-2009, 09:18 AM	#3
kidflash2008 Senior Investigator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,699	1. The possibility is always there that no one has any crashed saucers. While there are many interesting cases, there is no real smoking gun. MJ-12 is a well done hoax, and other documents are not proof positive. There definitely was an interest in the subject, but nothing to really say we have something. Do I believe we don't have extraterrestrial craft and/or bodies in storage somewhere? No, I think there is something somewhere. But that is conjecture on my part, as I have no real evidence, just some very good cases to argue the point. When discussing disclosure, this aspect of it must be included, as we could be wrong on whether or not the government has anything. 4. I am trying to make a point about all the "whistle blowers" and disclosure groups out there whose motive seems to be profit only. They will sell you their books, DVDs and if you can afford it an expensive seminar. Many of the sites ask for donations, and although there is nothing wrong with that, I do think people should be wary of it. When I here or think of disclosure and exopolitics, I think of the money scams some of them have. Basically, I am furthering the argument that disclosure has been promised since Jimmy Carter took office in 1977, and nothing has happened since. Every day a new site pops up stating disclosure is closer, when in truth it is further away than ever before.